New MCM series - 11sec subaru build. Bald PFer content.

[Nacho]

Think you guys misunderstood me, a major discussion about this car with everyone I've seen is what's it would really cost. My guess is $35k, which is stunning value considering the whole package and what it can do, how it would drive and be so functional, and is a except for a few little things engineerable without too much hassle. There isn't many cars you could mostly cheque book that money at for the same results if you wanted to copy it. Tough crowd.

We really don't give a fuck, Cracka. How can you put a price tag on such a unique and interesting series of informative videos?

You're getting caught up on the money and not enjoying the journey. Get the fuck over it.

[Nick]

Great work guys! Very lucky to have the support of some very knowledgeable people! It's a credit to everyone involved.

[TT]

Looking forward to the next ep.

[cracka]

We really don't give a fuck, Cracka. How can you put a price tag on such a unique and interesting series of informative videos?

You're getting caught up on the money and not enjoying the journey. Get the fuck over it.

Because I dont care so much for the video's themselves. The pricetag on them? Are you paying for them?
I care for the transformation of the car, the technical side, the end result, and what it would mean for someone attempting the same thing with only minor spanner abilities. The videos show the path and the result, what I take from them is that if I have a gen 2 liberty, and knowing the right people/capabilities, I could achieve a similar outcome for around that figure, or higher/lower, which was a point of conversation across much of the net and mates I have. What it cost the MCM guys, and in sponsorship is irrelevent to me. Not my car. It's cool to see that if you were jo bloggs with a flair for something different you could spend $20-30k on your subaru in many different ways, and this one which not many think about, has proven to be an absolute firecracker. It's obvious it's not been thought about because for the vast majority people assume it's too hard/not possible/the hardware to support it doesnt exist/it doesnt fit. Al, Miles Haltech have shown that's not the case and there is more opportunity for modifying your car than the cookie cutter 25 year old routine of a EJ25 or EJ235, GT35R and having the same thing as 29,000 other people in the world.

Lot of people dont realise this sort of stuff is even possible, the world's subaru fans and engine builders spend a LOT of time and money deactivating AVCS in the heads for instance, because they cant be run closed loop properly with much of the shit people use like hydra ems and aem etc. It shows there's a huge window of capability outside what many even modern subarus use now (reflashed stock ECU).

I know first hand Al was capable of it, the 'journey' of will it fit, will it work etc was all known to me. There's a reason I spend money with Al & Miles on my cars. I said it 3 months ago on libasn it would do an 11.9 at 117-118mph. It was a given. It'll surely smash that out in another crack, as getting a subaru off the line with any mechanical sympathy is not possible. You rev the cunt, slide your left foot left and pray you start moving and not snap a front shaft.

Looking really forward to seeing how the audrino can be integrated more, there's hours of videos that could be made on that setup from controlling a basic output to set trims for the haltech, to setting a pit lane limiter or two step, or controlling an exhaust bypass etc. Thing has all sorts of awesome potential.

To the average punter maybe they dont take that away from the video, which to me is as much about opening the eyes of people to what can be done, compared to their percieved only option being what's been done 1000 times already.

I suppose the next step will be full aftermarket control of direct injection pump and injectors instead of just the driver unit.

[BigMuz]

It's 35k if you do it like a spastic cracka styles.

What did the cut cost? Add a tank of fuel and a carton of piss and it's done.

[67rce]

I can see cracka's point. For Joe Average without the tools/knowledge/time, it would an expensive swap. Would it be $35k, I don't know, but can't see why that isn't a plausible budget. Sure, Marty wouldn't have spent that much, but with the advertising given out, obviously a reduced parts/labour cost ends up being a worthwhile trade for the business' involved in the build.

12.0 is a great first trip to the drags! Can definitely see 11's happening!

[TT]

I assume.....
6 speed, clutch and diff - $4K
EZ36 - $5K (since it was basically a new block)
Turbo - $2K
ECU bits - $3K
Dollars for all conversion and bits used at AM Auto - $15K

$29K total
Assume he got the car for free, add all the new interior bits, dyno time, fluids, etc etc, it could be close to a $30K - $32K total.

again.. just my assumptions
So cracka's not far off really...


But I don't think anyone thought this was a budget build. and I'm sure it doesn't matter or the point of this series.

[bahaimus]

All the ECU stuff would probably have been closer to $7k retail

[cracka]

Yep. And knowing full well about speedflow, fluids, gate, bov, IC, all the other shit. You get to 35 very conservatively. You also get to that easily with a 2.5 build and mid frame turbo on a Subaru done reasonably well. The difference would speak for itself in driving it, the 6 would be awesome in comparison.

and yep, all that haltech gear is closer to 7-8 or 10 even considering loom plugs, paying for injectors etc. the electrical side is very complex compared to a sprint 500 running the mx5.

[clutch-monkey]

I assume.....
6 speed, clutch and diff - $4K
EZ36 - $5K (since it was basically a new block)
Turbo - $2K
ECU bits - $3K
Dollars for all conversion and bits used at AM Auto - $15K

$29K total
Assume he got the car for free, add all the new interior bits, dyno time, fluids, etc etc, it could be close to a $30K - $32K total.

again.. just my assumptions
So cracka's not far off really...


But I don't think anyone thought this was a budget build. and I'm sure it doesn't matter or the point of this series.

i see cracka's point, at that price to run 11's on 8psi and then go to the shops to get groceries on the way home with a perfectly behaved motor, outstanding.

[E-Z]

i thought this was showcasing cool shit. not how much it would cost....

[bahaimus]

As if people in the target market aren't going to watch something like this and wonder how much it would cost to replicate for themselves!

[TT]

i thought this was showcasing cool shit. not how much it would cost....

Yes. the show is about that.
all responses about dollars started when cracka said $35K and people took it as a snide remark... which it wasn't.

[7HEAVN]

Ive watched all the episodes great project and all most 11's on the first time out well done.

[sprucebruce]

How cheap do cunts think it is to build an 11 second mild mannered daily with that much kit?
Car does exactly what Marty wanted it to (less half an interior) and in the real world it would probably cost somebody less than a Camry hybrid to build.
Not gonna lie though, I want to see how much boost it can take.