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[MRMOPARMAN]

Even the old 3.5 'c was quicker than the equivalent commodore back in the day.

[fly510]

I'm a convert to modern direct injection diesels, with variable vane turbos (or twins) and 6,7 or 8 speed boxes, these things absolutely haul are and get sensational fuel economy. That aplina video is how I feel about them. In Europe, you wouldn't do it any other way.

Whilst I agree with what your saying there is a counter argument which I originally chose to ignore. Like you I love the torque and economy that comes with a modern TD. they are snappy around town, great on the freeway and tops on fuel.

Higher running costs in relation to servicing and DPF that need to burnt off or longer trips to heal it, generally a higher purchase price. I gotta say there is something to be said for a decent DI petrol around town.

[mizone]

Whilst I agree with what your saying there is a counter argument which I originally chose to ignore. Like you I love the torque and economy that comes with a modern TD. they are snappy around town, great on the freeway and tops on fuel.

Higher running costs in relation to servicing and DPF that need to burnt off or longer trips to heal it, generally a higher purchase price. I gotta say there is something to be said for a decent DI petrol around town.

I'm going to have to agree with 510 here. I test drove the Opel petrols and diesels, both are modern engines. Whilst the diesels were pretty impressive, (i.e I thought they would be like the work Hilux), the petrols are miles ahead in NVH, sound, economy and performance. One bug bear of all the brands of diesel I drove (everything was an auto) was the initial hesitation taking off from the lights, especially on hill starts. It was like the worlds worst turbo lag AND the gearbox pulling timing out to save itself from a hard upshift. It turned me right off.

Taking the Opels, French stuff and Mondeo into account, as I test drove them in both forms, anyone who thinks that they are saving money buying the diesel variant hasn't driven the petrol version. The economy numbers where near on par with my driving.

[260BC]

Chrysler 300C v6 diesel 7.2L/100, 300C V6 petrol 9.4.

Where diesels really come into their own economy wise is where they are heavily loaded eg towing. With small, lightly loaded cars then petrol is the winner.

[BreaksMyWallet]

Maybe much better with a manual gearbag then?

But the parts costs Suzuki Dave posted a while back would have me worried about anything failing out of warranty on a modern diesel.

[irsa76]

I'm going to have to agree with 510 here. I test drove the Opel petrols and diesels, both are modern engines. Whilst the diesels were pretty impressive, (i.e I thought they would be like the work Hilux), the petrols are miles ahead in NVH, sound, economy and performance. One bug bear of all the brands of diesel I drove (everything was an auto) was the initial hesitation taking off from the lights, especially on hill starts. It was like the worlds worst turbo lag AND the gearbox pulling timing out to save itself from a hard upshift. It turned me right off.

Taking the Opels, French stuff and Mondeo into account, as I test drove them in both forms, anyone who thinks that they are saving money buying the diesel variant hasn't driven the petrol version. The economy numbers where near on par with my driving.

I found with my thing you have to feed the power in progessively rather then simply floor it to avoid the lack of initial go. Once moving though it moves pretty smartly though, currently averages 6.4l/100km which isn't bad.
Although had the 1.6 turbo been available at the time I would have bought that instead, my usage isn't really suitable for diesel with a relatively short commute.

[SPDRCR]

I'm yet to find a diesel that is punchy off the line. Is it a tuning issue or something inherent to diesels?

[dirtyrex]

330d went alright.

[Shonky]

I recently had a brand new X5 3.0 diesel loaner for a weekend and thought it was very punchy off the line.

[Captiva Fan]

I recently had a brand new X5 3.0 diesel loaner for a weekend and thought it was very punchy off the line.

It'd been smacked in the head too many times?

[fly510]

I'm yet to find a diesel that is punchy off the line. Is it a tuning issue or something inherent to diesels?

tuning for emissions mostly.

[Rdyno]

http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/1...diesel_engine/

[mizone]

Chrysler 300C v6 diesel 7.2L/100, 300C V6 petrol 9.4.

Where diesels really come into their own economy wise is where they are heavily loaded eg towing. With small, lightly loaded cars then petrol is the winner.

Sooo, I guess you haven't driven one then.

[Captiva Fan]

I don't understand what that picture is saying ... ?

[sssgtr]

What's a tow bar on a 300 worth?
I know for certain you cannot get a dealer installed tow bar on the SRT8 Core.