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    #16
    Righto, I did a bucket load of research on these before jumping in and buying one last year. I think as long as you go in eyes wide open you won't lose any sleep owning one.

    The 996, and particularly the series 1's I think, are regarded as the ugly ducklings of the 911 world. They are the first of the watercooled 911's so the purists hate them, and to be honest, they kind of look a bit dated when parked next to anything later. The series 2 (from late '01 onwards) got the 3.6 compared to the 3.4, the turbo headlights and a subtly different front bar to differentiate it from the Boxster.

    Per the replies above the biggest issue you'll find when researching is the IMS bearing. From what I read, it can fuck out spectacularly and take the rest of the motor with it. Porsche tried a couple of different bearing designs along they way, and I think its regarded now that it got worse before it got better. Being an '01 it could either have the early double row design which had a failure rate of 1% (internet forum stat only, no idea how accurate that is) or the later single row design that I think has higher failure rate of around 5% (I think this stat has a bit more basis from a class action in the US). It affects all boxsters and 911's (apart form GT3, GT2 and Turbos) from the 996 up until the series 2 997 update when they went to the current engine design. There are a couple of aftermarket fixes that solve it, some are permanent, some are considered replaceable service items. The LN Engineering ceramic replacement is probably the most common/well known and it depends on what bearing design you have as to what fix you can use.

    There was also some issues with the cylinder liners but I think they are mostly found in the really ('98 &'99) cars. Other than that they are pretty solid. From my searching I don't think basic service things like discs etc are any more expensive than any other performance euro. I tallied up all of the invoice that the previous owner gave me and including typically inflated porsche dealer servicing, tyres, brakes, clutch, batteries etc it averaged out to be about $4k a year. Having said that, some services (12 month/ 20,000klm) were oil and filter only so f'all $, others were pads & discs, clutch and flywheel etc all at once and they would have hurt at the time.

    To be honest, mine has slightly higher klms than this one in that ad and I would say probably looks tidier. eg, my gear knob looks no where near as worn and that center console looks to have been painted. Doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't been looked after though, the plastic they use in the interior of these marks really easily. I've got a mark on the dash from the tomtom falling 5mm off the windscreen and my door sills are scuffed to buggery.

    I bought my 2001 off a mates old man who had owned it since 2002 so I knew the history of it pretty well. He sold it to jump on a near new 997 GT3 and like 99% of owners who won't frequent forums, was blissfully unaware of all of the above issues. Would I have bought another (Carrera) if not my particular one? Probably not to be honest. Mine has a couple of options that I haven't seen on any since, like the X51 powerkit which added a 3rd radiator, turbo style oil pump, additional sump baffling, different cams, heads and GT3 esque intake manifold which brings the hp up to that of the 3.6 which pushed me over the line. Financially I reasoned that this should be better depreciation wise than something like a new HSV. Going by the price on that one I'm probably not convinced I'm correct on that yet.

    I still think they are a lot of car for the money but if I get another it will definitely be something with a metzger in it.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Marv View Post
      ^^ fuel thing is very common on many German cars. My BMWs were the same
      I think it was my Astra's fuel gauge that read 0, 1/2 and 1/1 - similar sort of weirdness.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Captain_Slow View Post
        So in other words, for those of us on normal budgets, this is a good way into a Porsche?
        a good cheap older 911 is a better "investment" 'cause they're improving in value, whereas water cooled cars are still depreciating

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          #19
          Originally posted by Captain_Slow View Post
          So in other words, for those of us on normal budgets, this is a good way into a Porsche?
          You already have that yellow one, mate?

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            #20
            Yes and it's aircooled for extra cred

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              #21
              I also own a 2002 996 S2 Carrera Cab. First up, awesome car, great value. Second up, reason they are great value is coz they are not Porsches best work reliability wise. The IMS is not the only issue, the real problem is you can not split the timing chains, which means if anything goes wrong timing chain related, IMS bearing, oil pump is driven of end of cam, chain breaks whatever, its engine out, split block in half to put a new one in, that's not cheap on a 996. I know this from first hand experience, the oil pump seized momentarily (known issue) it broke the timing chain, yadi yadi, $15k later I am a wiser 996 owner. There is a lot written about IMS, hard driving is good for it, hard driving is bad for it, high mileage is good for it, visa versa, it's lotto. The car you quote is a manual, that makes it easier, just factor in $2,500k to drop the engine and change the IMS for piece of mind, fit a new clutch whilst your there and voila, instant very nice car. I drive mine daily, it does 11.8 qtr, 285 top speed, about 12l/100, to me the perfect daily. Mine was $240k new, I bought it with 16,000 km for a 1/3 that, hard to argue with that kind of value.
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                #22
                Boxster with LS1 conversion makes more sense.
                I climbed Mt Druitt

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by VRSenator065 View Post
                  I drive mine daily, it does 11.8 qtr, 285 top speed, about 12l/100, to me the perfect daily. Mine was $240k new, I bought it with 16,000 km for a 1/3 that, hard to argue with that kind of value.
                  time slip pls.

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                    #24
                    Awsome info. Keep it coming
                    Looking for 86 GSXR bits. PM me

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by tomvale13 View Post
                      ... is that cheap? If not, I didn't realise that's all these cost..

                      would want to see the receipt for this $10,000 service.. so I could phone the place that did it.
                      $10k...

                      If he's done the bearing upgrade tp pre-emptively sort the IMS thing, then that's $2k. It would be smart to throw in a new clutch kit at the same time (since it's all apart) and that's prolly another $1.5k in parts. IIRC engine mounts and wishbone bushes flog out at around the 100k mark, so if he's had these all done at the same time, then that might be another grand or two.

                      The plastic oil/air separator can need attention at this mileage too, and that's quite a bit of labour to sort out...throw in some discs and pads and that's another chunk of money, but I dunno how you'd get all the way up to $10k...unless he did the shocks at the same time or fitted coilovers or something.
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by VRSenator065 View Post
                        I also own a 2002 996 S2 Carrera Cab. The car you quote is a manual, that makes it easier, just factor in $2,500k to drop the engine and change the IMS for piece of mind, fit a new clutch whilst your there and voila, instant very nice car.
                        Text in the ad suggests 'all common issues rectified' (I doubt all have been) But still, the IMS may well have been done already - receipts and details of what fix applied would be worth asking
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                          #27
                          Re the IMS bearing, I spoke to the blokes at T&D in Brisbane and queried whether internet forums and certain suppliers had blown the problem out of proportion. They were of the opinion that it probably had been, but none the less they had seen more issues than they would like to. I probably spooked myself into getting it replaced when I got sick of sitting at traffic lights trying to identify every little noise and squeak that came from the engine. I had the dual row design when meant I couldn't go with the LN "solution" and my best option was the LN ceramic replacement.

                          To get that done, along with a new clutch, new Air Oil Separator, new filler neck (which I buggered) and a new oil level sender (which I also buggered) and a couple of other things came to just shy of $4k. $2.5k for just the bearing and clutch (and labour) sounds pretty right. It's amazing how much more I've enjoyed the car since having it done though.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by pinnedopen View Post
                            It's amazing how much more I've enjoyed the car since having it done though.
                            Roger that, never tire of mine, perfect daily.
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by pinnedopen View Post
                              Re the IMS bearing, I spoke to the blokes at T&D in Brisbane and queried whether internet forums and certain suppliers had blown the problem out of proportion. They were of the opinion that it probably had been, but none the less they had seen more issues than they would like to. I probably spooked myself into getting it replaced when I got sick of sitting at traffic lights trying to identify every little noise and squeak that came from the engine. I had the dual row design when meant I couldn't go with the LN "solution" and my best option was the LN ceramic replacement.

                              To get that done, along with a new clutch, new Air Oil Separator, new filler neck (which I buggered) and a new oil level sender (which I also buggered) and a couple of other things came to just shy of $4k. $2.5k for just the bearing and clutch (and labour) sounds pretty right. It's amazing how much more I've enjoyed the car since having it done though.

                              How was yours when they took it out? Is I one of the collection they have on display?

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                                #30
                                I doubt it, I didn't actually see the ones they had on display. It wasn't perfect and had a couple of rusty specs under the seal. That validated my decision to get it done but they didn't make out that I'd dodged a bullet.

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