Rip rx7

[Walt Kowalski]

You have no idea.

Now wait for the new ZR1 the older outgoing ZR1 is one of the fastest cars around.

That's an awesome video of two awesome cars. I'd probably have the Z28 too for driver involvement and that V8 as well as long term cost of ownership.

BUT NEITHER OF THOSE CARS IS IN THE SAME MARKET AS AN RX-7.

Neither is balanced as well as the 1200Kg RX-7, with Aluminium Double A Arm RWD and low centre of gravity that gives the ultimate seat of the pants driving experience. Not an F3 chassis but as close as they make in a volume Prod car.

Now imagine that Comaro engine in the RX-7.

[Captiva Fan]

You have no idea.

You do know that a Camaro is a Commodore, don't you?
Except the yanks can't do suspension tuning as well as Holden or HSV; would be interesting to see a "control driver" fared with a Z/28 on a few Targa stages compared to the same driver in an HSV with the same engine.

[yohoes]

Perfect racetrack surface != world.
1920's suspension Rustang also does well on race tracks.
These days, resorting to a "good Nurburgring time" for marketing means your car's a POS in the real world & has little to commend it.

I purposely referred to Nurburg times cos the track is not perfectly flat

If you want ride quality (and are willing to whinge/make an issue about it not being an S class), you want something other than a performance car..

Rx7 is cool because its light, RWD, it has power, and if you want more its easy.. (until it fails).. Corvette is the same except for the motor failing part.. you can have something thats just "quick" or you can have something wild

Giving examples of underpowered cars just makes me yawn in an Rx7 thread..

Rx7s are best when they have a T04Z hanging off them

[IMOA]

Is there still seriously no simple bolt-on kits for the 86 to get a decent number, reliably? 180-200rwkw would be more than enough and from what I've read, would almost mandate a decent rubber upgrade? (Maybe even wheels too, for width?)

Yes, there's lots of kits available for 180-200rwkw. Basically a case of pick whether you want turbo, centrifugal supercharger or positive displacement supercharger and then pick the one that you like most.

I purposely referred to Nurburg times cos the track is not perfectly flat

If you want ride quality (and are willing to whinge/make an issue about it not being an S class), you want something other than a performance car..

Nurburgring has the odd bumpy section but it is a racetrack, it's miles smoother than the typical country road.

Also ride quality isn't about a cushy ride, it's about keeping the rubber on the road when you're driving at pace on a typical australian country road. Sure if you want a track car things are very different but there's a massive difference driving a car on a track and driving on australian country roads.

[ZammoTheCockroach]

kill it off now

bring it back in 5 years after they do some serious RnD on the rotor

big media hype

[yohoes]

Yes, there's lots of kits available for 180-200rwkw. Basically a case of pick whether you want turbo, centrifugal supercharger or positive displacement supercharger and then pick the one that you like most.



Nurburgring has the odd bumpy section but it is a racetrack, it's miles smoother than the typical country road.

Also ride quality isn't about a cushy ride, it's about keeping the rubber on the road when you're driving at pace on a typical australian country road. Sure if you want a track car things are very different but there's a massive difference driving a car on a track and driving on australian country roads.

I wouldnt take my car onto most country roads tbh.. we may have shitter ones than most though

I know theres a difference between compliant and crashy.. I wouldnt be booting on shit roads anyway?

If I had a Vette id be putting harder than factory coilys and harder bushes n shit into it anyway.. just as most RX7s have.. and use it on appropriate roads?

[Captiva Fan]

The problem with poor ride-quality is that, in the context I'm talking about (over-firm suspension so a car gives the impression of handling while you drive it on a racetrack), it affects real-world handling due to loss of traction.
*skip*-*skip*-*skip* across the road like a 60's VW Kombi ...

[Kiahatsiu]

Shoosh forg. You are talking shit again.

[rj_astra]

You do know that a Camaro is a Commodore, don't you?
Except the yanks can't do suspension tuning as well as Holden or HSV; would be interesting to see a "control driver" fared with a Z/28 on a few Targa stages compared to the same driver in an HSV with the same engine.

They sure as hell have sorted the Camaro out. The Z28 is supposed to be brilliant.

[IMOA]

I wouldnt take my car onto most country roads tbh.. we may have shitter ones than most though

I know theres a difference between compliant and crashy.. I wouldnt be booting on shit roads anyway?

If I had a Vette id be putting harder than factory coilys and harder bushes n shit into it anyway.. just as most RX7s have.. and use it on appropriate roads?

Well, it's kinda obvious that you're not interested in driving on country roads, maybe try to stop for a moment and imagine that there are some people however who do and as a result might be looking for different qualities in a car than you.

Or to put it simply, around a track like wakefield my old S14 would've been 4-6 seconds a lap quicker than my 86. Up the wisemans ferry road the 86 is not only more fun but also faster than the old S14. (yes I know, sydney references but I'm from sydney so what can you do). Power has much less relevance on a bumpy country road so if it's country roads where you mostly drive the sort of car you buy is going to be different not because you're an idiot but because a different tool is needed for a different job.

[Mr Purple]

If you're building a street car, wouldn't you want to use it on any road you can?

[Captiva Fan]

Shoosh forg. Fanbois don't like it when their fapping turns out to be misguided.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend the uninformed.

They sure as hell have sorted the Camaro out. The Z28 is supposed to be brilliant.

Holden design input?
Reviewed by American reviewers &/or standards?

[yohoes]

How shit does a road have to be to cause that?

If I frequented roads that terrible it made the car hop, id be considering Land cruisers instead? Doesnt seem like the target market for Corvettes and RX7s.. I guess such a low, light car is unsuitable for your purpose

What suspension components are in your 86 IMOA?

I always think of weekender cars like jetskis.. its not a mode of transport, and you only use it if and when its suitable

If you need an allrounder car thats a daily, then you have a compromised result performance wise

[clutch-monkey]

How shit does a road have to be to cause that?

If I frequented roads that terrible it made the car hop, id be considering Land cruisers instead? Doesnt seem like the target market for Corvettes and RX7s.. I guess such a low, light car is unsuitable for your purpose

true enough, but i will say gravel roads are awesome in the wrx/911 haha can still have fun on shit roads. but different type of car i agree. C6 i could certainly enjoy on a few nice roads for sure, 'poor' ride or not

[IMOA]

How shit does a road have to be to cause that?

If I frequented roads that terrible it made the car hop, id be considering Land cruisers instead? Doesnt seem like the target market for Corvettes and RX7s.. I guess such a low, light car is unsuitable for your purpose

I disagree, the big difference is you can't use the power, the dampers need a decent level of sophistication and communication becomes more important than outright grip. I haven't driven anything after a C5 vette so won't comment on that but the old RX7's are very good on roads like this as they are fundamentally a very good chassis. The 'RX7' which has been discussed here as the only realistic chance (ie MX5 based coupe, 4 cyl turbo engine) would be bloody brilliant at it.

What suspension components are in your 86 IMOA?

MCA dampers, changed all the bushes in the front and added a bit more caster, urethane bushes in the subframe and diff carrier. Still not completely satisfied with the front end so I've got to do a bit more work there.

I always think of weekender cars like jetskis.. its not a mode of transport, and you only use it if and when its suitable

If you need an allrounder car thats a daily, then you have a compromised result performance wise

Honestly I think you're misunderstanding. Speaking for myself at least I don't drive up these roads because I have to, I drive them because I love it. They're tricky roads, you have to concentrate, you have to drive well and you spend the whole drive balancing the car on your right foot. For me it's the essence of driving a sports car as opposed to big grip/big power of a muscle car or GT. They're all fun but I just find the sports car experience more satisfying.