Gary ripping it up on the new (last corner) Marulan MDTC track (in the wet!)

[JESUS CHRIST]

Forget the politics (and i don't know him in any way) but....

Watch the way he makes the most of a corner in heavy a car with a bit of power and no aero. It's on a tight track and using controlled oversteer into corners to lengthen the 'straights' is very interesting me thinks. The stuff books tell you to do.

[Uncle]

Forget the politics (and i don't know him in any way) but....

Watch the way he makes the most of a corner in heavy a car with a bit of power and no aero. It's on a tight track and using controlled oversteer into corners to lengthen the 'straights' is very interesting me thinks. The stuff books tell you to do.

+1.

[nelsonian101]

Exactly how I try to drive mine, just not quite as well.

Lengthen the straights.
Spend minimal time in the corners and straightline every thing.

Like the high hp 500cc 2 stroke gp bikes used to be ridden.

Forget the politics (and i don't know him in any way) but....

Watch the way he makes the most of a corner in heavy a car with a bit of power and no aero. It's on a tight track and using controlled oversteer into corners to lengthen the 'straights' is very interesting me thinks. The stuff books tell you to do.

[mondo2000]

Like the high hp 500cc 2 stroke gp bikes used to be ridden.

By some riders e.g. Gardner, Mamola. The better riders like Lawson, Rainey and Doohan carried more corner speed.

[JESUS CHRIST]

Would loved to have seen the wheel work on that vid to see the effectiveness of what he was doing. Sounded mostly good though.

By some riders e.g. Gardner, Mamola. The better riders like Lawson, Rainey and Doohan carried more corner speed.

Simply different styles.

Look at Lowndes' approach to a corner vs most other drivers. Pro/cons to all styes of driving. Then extrapolate that style to qual laps vs race laps vs tire life etc etc.

Further, the other vehicles you are racing against will determine your style on the day. Cars achieve their speed in different ways.

Way more complex than simply saying one is 'better' than the other.

[nelsonian101]

By some riders e.g. Gardner, Mamola. The better riders like Lawson, Rainey and Doohan carried more corner speed.

Maybe I watched too many seasons of Barry Sheen commentary with the GP bikes back in the '90's?

I even won 5 club level Superbike races myself back in the '90's.....................but what would I know................

[260BC]

Looks like he is driving to have fun rather than do a fastest lap time, tipping it into a corner like that loses a lot of mid corner speed which I can't see being made up.

[mondo2000]

Simply different styles.

Look at Lowndes' approach to a corner vs most other drivers. Pro/cons to all styes of driving. Then extrapolate that style to qual laps vs race laps vs tire life etc etc.

Further, the other vehicles you are racing against will determine your style on the day. Cars achieve their speed in different ways.

Way more complex than simply saying one is 'better' than the other.

I wasn't talking about cars.

Maybe I watched too many seasons of Barry Sheen commentary with the GP bikes back in the '90's?

I even won 5 club level Superbike races myself back in the '90's.....................but what would I know................

Well, you must have been watching without listening. Gardner was infamous for wanting a bike that was a rocketship between corners. Doohan by contrast wanted a bike with a lot of front end grip that carried corner speed. Doohan was also good at standing the bike up early to put the power down.

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We need Garry McCoy to lap Marulan on a 500 to show us how its done.

[Babalouie]

The new corner looks a lot better than the old wiggly section. Doesn't look forgiving tho

and x57 on Gary being a champ

[nelsonian101]

I wasn't talking about cars.



Well, you must have been watching without listening. Gardner was infamous for wanting a bike that was a rocketship between corners. Doohan by contrast wanted a bike with a lot of front end grip that carried corner speed. Doohan was also good at standing the bike up early to put the power down.

You are preaching to the wrong guy.
I give no fuck for historical riding techniques.

Only for practical techniques to go faster.
Different cars/bikes of differing power/weight require different corner speed/throttle application points.
That is my point. Not an invitation for an argument.

"Twist of the Wrist" was a good book.
Maybe you should read it.....

[nelsonian101]

We need Garry McCoy to lap Marulan on a 500 to show us how its done.

I guarantee both Gazza lines would be identical...
Even on a 16.5" wheel....

[mondo2000]

You are preaching to the wrong guy.
I give no fuck for historical riding techniques.

Only for practical techniques to go faster.
Different cars/bikes of differing power/weight require different corner speed/throttle application points.
That is my point. Not an invitation for an argument.

I don't know what the fuck you're going on about. My original comment disputed what you said about 500cc GP riders, now somehow you think I am trying to teach the world how to ride a bike/drive a car?

"Twist of the Wrist" was a good book. Maybe you should read it.....

Have read a couple of them, thanks.

[nelsonian101]

I don't know what the fuck you're going on about. My original comment disputed what you said about 500cc GP riders, now somehow you think I am trying to teach the world how to ride a bike/drive a car?


Have read a couple of them, thanks.

All good dude.
Getting off topic
Technically we are both correct and may be referring to 2 very different versions of the 500GP 2 stroke engine used in the NSR's, requiring different riding styles to get the best out of them.
The "Big Bang" with the revised crankshaft provided better acceleration (less top speed) and Doohan did use this engine through the mid 90's which aided his corner speed. He did however go back to the harsher (peakier high horsepower) engine which was ultimately quicker if you rode it like Gazza at MDTC.

Agree, Twist of the Wrist 2 was a better book.