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    Originally posted by clutch-monkey View Post
    does anyone care about the shitful motors a lot of pommy classics came with though? different if it's a six cylinder bmw or v8 falcon etc.
    at least it means an mg won't leak oil..
    Comparatively yeah their engines are shit, but the break downs and total loss oiling sytems are still part of the character of the car :D
    1978 Gemini Sedan - Powered by i change my mind every week - R.I.P
    1980 Gemini Sedan
    1987 Range Rover Vogue
    1996 TF Holden Rodeo

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      Originally posted by Luke352 View Post
      Like mentioned on the previous page battery costs in most EV's are almost as much as what the manufacturers can build a complete mid size ICE car for and aren't expected to get cheaper.

      From BMW Chairman. https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...n-engine-71326
      Actually batteries have been getting heaps cheaper and are expecting them to drop even further over the next few years

      Typical cars guide bollocks

      https://thedriven.io/2019/01/23/repo...e-parity-2022/
      Originally posted by Rdyno
      70ynu has to be the most retarded cunt here. "Help me please" me "you need to remove your head" him "fuck off cunt I'm to lazy fuck off out of my thread you told me to do something I don't want to do so you're a cunt fuck off can some one please tell me an easier way???"
      Originally posted by Tripper
      Its a tight battle between you and rogercordia for the most retarded member on here, thou i think you have it by 5 window licks

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        Originally posted by F3ARED View Post
        Honest opinion - I fucking hate the thought and or concept of it. Why take something integral to the character of a classic, one of the key parts that make it as special as it is, and remove it? Whats the point of having that particular classic? Using the HK Monaro or Phase 3 as an example - two things make them really special; one is the link to racing, the other is the engine. You remove that part and basically all you have is a shit handling sedan with a silent form of propulsion.

        Picture an Alfa GTV without the DOHC, a BMW anything without its 6 cylinder engine, a C63 without its V8 etc etc. Whats the point?
        How about a classic mini without its classic shithouse engine. Electricfying one of them would be life changing for their owners.
        Originally posted by Rdyno
        70ynu has to be the most retarded cunt here. "Help me please" me "you need to remove your head" him "fuck off cunt I'm to lazy fuck off out of my thread you told me to do something I don't want to do so you're a cunt fuck off can some one please tell me an easier way???"
        Originally posted by Tripper
        Its a tight battle between you and rogercordia for the most retarded member on here, thou i think you have it by 5 window licks

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          That's a bloody good idea. And I happen to have one sitting here with loads of room in the back for batteries, being a panelvan.

          It has been done. Could be an interesting option for the future:

          https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/03/27/f...mini-electric/

          Best bit is someone will do a kit at some stage because there's approximately 30 billion classic minis still registered.

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            Originally posted by MRMOPARMAN View Post
            How about a classic mini without its classic shithouse engine. Electricfying one of them would be life changing for their owners.
            Nah - the weight of the batteries required would destroy the balance of the chassis.

            About the only car that i could think of which would make sense from both a battery storage perspective and the original-engine-is-that-shit-anything-is-an-improvement angle would be a VW Kombi
            1978 Gemini Sedan - Powered by i change my mind every week - R.I.P
            1980 Gemini Sedan
            1987 Range Rover Vogue
            1996 TF Holden Rodeo

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              Originally posted by clutch-monkey View Post
              does anyone care about the shitful motors a lot of pommy classics came with though? different if it's a six cylinder bmw or v8 falcon etc.
              at least it means an mg won't leak oil..
              Performance of a twin-cam MGA is about on par with a V8 XT Falcon.

              Or just buy a Bristol, Jensen, Gordon Keeble or Sunbeam!
              Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the end of the world?

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                Originally posted by F3ARED View Post
                Nah - the weight of the batteries required would destroy the balance of the chassis.

                About the only car that i could think of which would make sense from both a battery storage perspective and the original-engine-is-that-shit-anything-is-an-improvement angle would be a VW Kombi


                Your thinking of the now, not the future when batteries will be substantially smaller.. Think 5-10 years.
                I worked out, that if i fuck off the spare and battery box, cut the boot floor for a drop tank style setup no lower than the spare tyre recess.. By filling that space and under the back seat/some engine bay i can get roughly 25kwh of batterys into a basic mini.. Which would get a mini over 100 miles. More than enough range for most weekenders.
                Originally posted by Rdyno
                70ynu has to be the most retarded cunt here. "Help me please" me "you need to remove your head" him "fuck off cunt I'm to lazy fuck off out of my thread you told me to do something I don't want to do so you're a cunt fuck off can some one please tell me an easier way???"
                Originally posted by Tripper
                Its a tight battle between you and rogercordia for the most retarded member on here, thou i think you have it by 5 window licks

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                  Originally posted by MRMOPARMAN View Post
                  Actually batteries have been getting heaps cheaper and are expecting them to drop even further over the next few years

                  Typical cars guide bollocks

                  https://thedriven.io/2019/01/23/repo...e-parity-2022/
                  Yes batteries have gotten cheaper as manufacturing knowledge and demand has increased allowing for more efficient production scale. But we have pretty much hit the level of scale where the manufacturing cost outside of materials isn't going to get much cheaper. Material cost will now be the main driver of battery cost, guess what happens to material costs when demand increases.... People have been promising the world as far as new cheaper and better battery technology for many years. The technology has basically flatlined for the last decade or more, yes there have been improvements but we are talking about minor things not breakthrough technology that is actually practical to implement.

                  Originally posted by MRMOPARMAN View Post
                  Your thinking of the now, not the future when batteries will be substantially smaller.. Think 5-10 years.
                  .
                  And people have been saying that for the last 5-10years....reality is Lithium based batteries are what we have for probably another 20+ years and there technology isn't going to improve to the point that they are 5 times smaller than currently.

                  As an example, a thread that has been going for 9 years and apart from a few bits and pieces that offer minor improvements none of that "breakthrough" technology has gotten anywhere close to coming to market.

                  https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...-battery-again

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                    Originally posted by Falc&Send View Post
                    What are the views on converting classic cars to electric power? The examples in this article are Pommy/Euro classics, what about an electric HK Monaro or Phase 3 GTHO (or a replica, not sure anybody is brave/stupid/rich enough to do it to a potentially million dollar car) ?
                    What about say an EH, hardly what you'd call a performance motor and most would buy it for the looks, not the engine.

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                      For those at the top end of town converting a classic car to electric is not just about making the car better, it's bragging rights at the millionaires club luncheon, putting on a green image to the public, and so on.

                      And for those people dropping 150k on a car is no big deal financially, but worth every penny in one-upmanship.

                      Think about Prince Harry driving the electrified E-Type away from the church on his wedding day, that's the benchmark now.

                      https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...dding-details/
                      Jaguar XJR, Freelander 2 HSE, Jaguar XKR, MINI Cooper S
                      Originally posted by nutttr
                      People must assume you are some sort of drug dealer with all these nice cars turning up to a fibro home

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                        Originally posted by Jack Nicholson View Post
                        For those at the top end of town converting a classic car to electric is not just about making the car better, it's bragging rights at the millionaires club luncheon, putting on a green image to the public, and so on.

                        And for those people dropping 150k on a car is no big deal financially, but worth every penny in one-upmanship.

                        Think about Prince Harry driving the electrified E-Type away from the church on his wedding day, that's the benchmark now.

                        https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...dding-details/
                        There is already a thriving boutique industry in the UK and on the Continent supplying classic cars that are either better than new or modernised. I can only see electric alternatives broadening the spectrum of people that will be interested in classic cars.
                        Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the end of the world?

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                          Originally posted by clutch-monkey View Post
                          does anyone care about the shitful motors a lot of pommy classics came with though? different if it's a six cylinder bmw or v8 falcon etc.
                          at least it means an mg won't leak oil..
                          BMC Pushrod 4 bangers? Nope. MGA Twincam maybe... Healey 100/4 the big rough four is kinda a big part of what it is.
                          Although, the Healey 3000 that gets belts past my place 2-4 times a day, every day, any weather sounds great.

                          Just like Gattaca though, an electric DS or Studebaker Avanti would be cool. An electric GTV? nope.
                          "Where can we get hold of a Vincent Black Shadow?" "Whats that?" "A fantastic bike," I said. "The new model is something like two thousand cubic inches, developing two hundred brake-horsepower at four thousand revolutions per minute on a magnesium frame with two styrofoam seats and a total curb weight of exactly two hundred pounds."

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                            Originally posted by F3ARED View Post
                            Nah - the weight of the batteries required would destroy the balance of the chassis.

                            About the only car that i could think of which would make sense from both a battery storage perspective and the original-engine-is-that-shit-anything-is-an-improvement angle would be a VW Kombi
                            Citroen DS begs for an electric motor imo. Smooth everywhere
                            Originally posted by Old Major View Post
                            Performance of a twin-cam MGA is about on par with a V8 XT Falcon.

                            Or just buy a Bristol, Jensen, Gordon Keeble or Sunbeam!
                            Originally posted by Walt Kowalski
                            Memes are only detectable by NSA.

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                              The Studebaker Avanti begs for a Paxton supercharger. After all it was the world's fastest production car.

                              The twin cam MGA can sound pretty good too.
                              Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the end of the world?

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                                Originally posted by MRMOPARMAN View Post
                                How about a classic mini without its classic shithouse engine. Electricfying one of them would be life changing for their owners.
                                There is the French NosMoke - electric Mini Moke: https://en.nosmoke.fr/build-your-vehicle

                                But it seems a good name & idea with a shitty conversion. High cost, heavy weight, limited speed & range. There's got to be better conversions in the pipeline.

                                Originally posted by F3ARED View Post
                                About the only car that i could think of which would make sense from both a battery storage perspective and the original-engine-is-that-shit-anything-is-an-improvement angle would be a VW Kombi
                                Similar with the Yank VW ones (Beetle -yes, Kombi -yes, Karmann Ghia -yes, Thing -maybe, Porsche conversions -winds back hand for an almighty pimp slap): https://www.zelectricmotors.com

                                They don't seem to be there with price points, improvements or packaging.....yet.

                                [edit-] I can see a point where an older Porsche conversion can be kept "in house" & motors, inverters & maybe batteries from the new electric Porsche Taycan or next gen Macan will be used, much like Tesla swaps are used today. It'd also be good to hot-rod things to combine the best components (BMW motors & Tesla batteries?). I love the Icon '49 Mercury EV conversion that was posted earlier. I can see a market where specialists will be offering custom battery packs designed/repackaged to fit the specific low-mounted boot/bonnet space to suit a conversion. you could do weights at either end tuned to give 50/50 F/R weight distribution (maybe in an old originally 60/40 F/R Honda) or keep it 40/60 to 45/55 F/R in an older originally rear-engined car. Their will also be a market for stronger driveshafts, at least until in-hub electric motors come down in weight. [-edit]

                                Originally posted by Nitephyre View Post
                                Fuck me sideways those Ace cars are ugly.
                                Seen to be green? Also looks very similar to a $60-80k Aud BMW i3. Would a Chinese company really try to copy a successful overseas product

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