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    Right.

    You don't like the figures in this report from a reputable engineering firm so I can go find the figures myself to prove it wrong... that's not how it works sunshine.

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      I just told you why it’s dodgy and gave you a clear example. I’m not going to waste my time spoon feeding you.
      Originally posted by Jim
      I feel that rules are important as without rules there is no cheating and cheating is a vital part of drag racing.

      Originally posted by elfturbomax
      What has happened to PF? It seems to be diesel love now days. Maybe the name should be changed to Particulate Forums.

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        Originally posted by oioioioioi View Post
        Right.

        You don't like the figures in this report from a reputable engineering firm so I can go find the figures myself to prove it wrong... that's not how it works sunshine.
        They do emissions metering reports for the car industry at best. A: There's internal bias (whether conscious or not) against vehicles that don't emit emissions (and therefore will not help them stay in business), B: Use dubious comparisons at best no reference to what vehicle they are measuring off to calculate their emission levels and C: they are definitely not using "Well to Exhaust Pipe emissions" calculations for either Petrol or electric.

        Effectively the report probably isn't worth the paper it's written on.

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          They don't purport to report "well to tailpipe" anything... the graph is very clearly labelled ''Carbon dioxide emissions (grams per kilometre)".

          And further, "Emissions data is for 2018 and is sales weighted using various powertrains", i.e. the figures reflect the actual fleet of vehicles sold in this country in 2018.

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            Originally posted by oioioioioi View Post
            They don't purport to report "well to tailpipe" anything... the graph is very clearly labelled ''Carbon dioxide emissions (grams per kilometre)".

            And further, "Emissions data is for 2018 and is sales weighted using various powertrains", i.e. the figures reflect the actual fleet of vehicles sold in this country in 2018.
            If you're going to only measure tailpipe emissions then the electric vehicles should be marked as zero because they emit zero.

            Also quick calculation says that Tesla Model X P90D with 90MPGe puts out in victoria 200g of CO2 which is the worst performer of all the electric cars in Australia and I guarantee it wasn't the only electric car model to be sold in Australia last year which is lower than what they've stated.

            All they've really proved is the age old adage of there is "lies, damn lies and statistics".

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              It’s also a blatantly false premise because theyre using brand new 2018-spec cars as the “average” for emissions

              last time I checked most people don’t sell a brand new car they just bought to buy an EV

              the real world the average age of AU vehicles is still about 10 years, you’d have to be trying very hard to swap a *typical* ICE vehicle for an EV and come out worse emissions -wise (FYI in 2009 the top-selling car was the Commodore, go look up its CO2 emissions...)

              so predictably there are more holes in this report than Swiss cheese, that the Arsetralian chose to uncritically lap it up because LABOR POLICY BAD = EV’S BAD is not surprising
              Last edited by perthdrivers.txt; 05-09-19, 03:24 PM.
              Originally posted by Jim
              I feel that rules are important as without rules there is no cheating and cheating is a vital part of drag racing.

              Originally posted by elfturbomax
              What has happened to PF? It seems to be diesel love now days. Maybe the name should be changed to Particulate Forums.

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                Top Gear walkaround of the Porsche Taycan

                https://youtu.be/RfnLv80fq3w
                Sutherland Shires #1 Escort? is that like being the 4th best prostitute in Kazahkstan?

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                  "These apples are nothing like those oranges!"- perthie 2019

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                    Originally posted by oioioioioi View Post
                    "These apples are nothing like those oranges!"- perthie 2019


                    Even you must admit that a report which shows petrol cars as having the same emissions as an EV is suspect at best. The methodology is clearly flawed.

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                      Sure. But before concluding there is a problem with the report I'd like to actually see it.

                      Whinging that the authors didn't compare a Nissan Leaf to a VN commodore is fucking mental.

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                        Why bother, I mean it was ok for The Arsetralian to post on the front page?
                        Originally posted by Jim
                        I feel that rules are important as without rules there is no cheating and cheating is a vital part of drag racing.

                        Originally posted by elfturbomax
                        What has happened to PF? It seems to be diesel love now days. Maybe the name should be changed to Particulate Forums.

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                          Originally posted by oioioioioi View Post
                          Sure. But before concluding there is a problem with the report I'd like to actually see it.

                          Whinging that the authors didn't compare a Nissan Leaf to a VN commodore is fucking mental.
                          I don't need to see the latest flat earth society reports to conclude that they are incorrect. I am content that the same level of intellectual rigour, or less, is required to reject a paper that suggests electric cars are bigger polluters than internal combustion cars.

                          So I actually had a brief look at the info sources listed (greenvehicleguide/greenhouse account factors). I'm even more confused now. How did they get this 'average' for petrol cars of around 175g/km?
                          2019 Hyundai i30 1.6L Turbo - 201
                          2019 Honda Civic 1.8L - 190.
                          2019 Toyota Corolla 1.8 - 179

                          I picked those to compare to a Tesla and it just makes that graph look fucking wonky as all hell. If a bottom spec Corolla is a greater than average polluter then I would love an explanation as to where that average is calculated from.

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                            A rep from Tesla just called, they won't do test drives without laying down a deposit. I politely advised old mate to fornicate with felines of the feral persuasion, to which he replied with "we get that a lot actually".
                            Originally posted by Cock Fist
                            You're a penis.

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                              What's the deposit? - I mean are they just trying to ensure that you have the cash to actually purchase? or just trying to make sure they don't get joyriders that have no intention of purchase?
                              This is a post i wrote by mistake, which is nice...

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                                Geez, I got a model S for a whole weekend without putting down anything.
                                Originally posted by Sicarius123
                                Performance Forums, where our two best threads are a man stabbing a lawn mower and a lawn mower stabbing a man :p

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