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    #61
    Originally posted by PXL265 View Post
    Over the whole of life from digging it out if the ground to it going back into the ground when dead a conventional car is more environmentally friendly than an EV.

    Classic cars are more environmentally friendly than new cars too when taking this approach. The amount of fuel used by a car is fuck all of the total environmental costs.

    Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk
    Pretty much any older car is better as they are not getting replaced. Takes a lot to get rid of old cars and even more to make a new one. Keep you old jalopy running and it will be best for the planet.

    EVs are there only for CO2 emissions and noise pollution I guess. Down side is they weigh more so there is more tyre and road wear.

    We really won't be there until we have something like solar->BPU->car or a city fusion reactor powering the grid. More likely everyone will just have solar at home with batteries and charge the car like you charge your phone.
    When we are there, I welcome self driving electric cars that will talk to each other on the highway so the traffic can flow at 200kph. I'll still have a E85/Moonshine burning turbo huffing piston engine with limited rego for weekend fun.

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      #62
      There's a large performance movement with EVs now. If you ignore all the greenie aspects, there's a lot to be said for tyre shredding instant torque. There's a whole new generation of light weight batteries available now too.
      Turns out, far too much has been written about great men and not nearly enough about morons


      Originally posted by seedyrom
      my neighbours called the cops...... not because of the sound of me working in the garage was too loud, but because i taped a cardboard box to my back, covered my self in vaseline and pretended i was a snail on their lawn

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        #63
        what sux about the EV's is that GovCo knows they are coming and are raising the tax on electricity to the point where EV cars don't make sense anymore, nobody gives flying fuck about saving the planet, if anyone things that they are a massive retard, once EV's uptake reaches say 20 to 30 percent the loss from fuel excise will have to be covered from somewhere else which means the electricity will go through the roof, we are already the most expensive country on earth when it comes to electricity and also the biggest exporter of coal by more than double of Indonesia (second biggest) we are also close to the top 10 in Gas export (i think we are 11 or 12) yet we are one of the highest countries when it comes to LPG/Natural Gas on the planet

        I wouldn't really look at EV cars doing anything positive in Australia, it will most likely encourage the government to leach onto something else. You only have to look as far as cigarette pricing to fully understand how desperate the GovCo is for funds...if every single cent from cigarette tax is exclusively used in our health system we would have the best health system on earth bar none yet for every 5 thousand people that give up smoking GovCo punishes the rest with an additional 1% hike in tax to cover the gap, this is no different for petrol, as cars become more efficient fuel prices will go up, if they can't get their insatiable thirst for $ fix they hike registration and as EV's come into the market they will make electricity a non commodity item. Yes we have solar and one day GovCo will charge you a tax for the square meters of you roof (collecting water and electricity).

        I think best thing I've seen was this Indian guys I used to work with in the past, they got sent this foot pumps from India where they attach them to the Gas lines (the kitchen ones) and their LPG camry/echo/yaris and pump the pedal to pressurise their car LPG tank ... fucking brilliant idea although I guess highly illegal but hey it's fucking works for the cheap cunts! I asked why not electric pump? they say it's too expensive ... cheap cunts!

        So yeah from environmental point of view LPG should be way more echo friendly than EV over say 10 years of the life of a car in my books
        Originally posted by BeverlyHillsCop
        I think u should marry her... slip the ring inside your ass and next time she goes in, she'll come out with a ring on her finger...

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          #64
          Originally posted by rj_astra View Post
          In 2022. Bit of a way off.
          Audi will have the basis in the upcoming eTron Quattro suv
          2019 for the mission E concept. Not sure how many will end up on the roads here though.

          Pretty radical to take your number one SUV seller and make it full electric in the next 5 years...

          Interesting the quick change to embrace electric, i guess the VW diesel scandal has all the euros scrambling towards change

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            #65
            Worked with a guy in the 90s that ran town gas through a copper coil in a chest freezer and slow filled his lpg tank with the liquified gas. He had a vh commodore. Said it was slow as fuck but it was costing him about 30c a tank.
            Turns out, far too much has been written about great men and not nearly enough about morons


            Originally posted by seedyrom
            my neighbours called the cops...... not because of the sound of me working in the garage was too loud, but because i taped a cardboard box to my back, covered my self in vaseline and pretended i was a snail on their lawn

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              #66
              Originally posted by Jim View Post
              There's a large performance movement with EVs now. If you ignore all the greenie aspects, there's a lot to be said for tyre shredding instant torque. There's a whole new generation of light weight batteries available now too.
              This is the future of engine swaps IMO.

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                #67
                Town gas is predominately methane. Compressed methane is typically stored at around 10 times the pressure for LPG (propane/butane mix). To liquefy methane you need to get it down to −162 įC.
                Are you optimistic or pessimistic about the end of the world?

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                  #68
                  I had a crappy volt and forget being green

                  It was just plain good to drive as a commuter car

                  Iíve had many V8ís and turbos and supercharged cars

                  None have matched the econoboxís instant response from a roll at normal city driving speeds

                  I had a Jeep SRT and it was pretty good, yet still no match for the volt, Iím not saying the volt was quick it was mid 9ís 0-100km/h vs the tunes jeeps mid 4ís

                  Where it was good was see an opening steer into it and give it a squirt

                  They respond instantly, the big 6.4L hemi and ZF 8spd are well known for the low down grunt and slick shifting, but jumping from gap to gap in city traffic you canít beat an ev

                  I have a tuned 3L diesel Grand Cherokee with a mountain of torque and much improved response and daily city driving its garbage compared to the volt

                  By the time the transmission kicks down in a conventional car the ev has already completed accelerating and you are off the pedal

                  I never bought any of mine to be green or save fuel, I like the relaxing quiet drive that is all
                  ..........

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                    #69
                    another thing with the big take up of electric cars is the home charging - if 30-40% (or whatever) of homes with their single phase supply start to do charging as soon as they get home in the evening at large amperages - the local networks are going to be under strain.

                    hot summer evening with AC full blast and charging your car

                    mmmm more service fees by electricity providers to upgrade the networks .

                    planning could alleviate it - but yeah - planning by the state and feds govts for joined up thinking ... hmmm

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Old Major View Post
                      Town gas is predominately methane. Compressed methane is typically stored at around 10 times the pressure for LPG (propane/butane mix). To liquefy methane you need to get it down to −162 įC.
                      I'd say at a guess it wasn't liquified, as you say, and he just ran it on domestic pipe pressure.
                      Turns out, far too much has been written about great men and not nearly enough about morons


                      Originally posted by seedyrom
                      my neighbours called the cops...... not because of the sound of me working in the garage was too loud, but because i taped a cardboard box to my back, covered my self in vaseline and pretended i was a snail on their lawn

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by 9triton View Post
                        another thing with the big take up of electric cars is the home charging - if 30-40% (or whatever) of homes with their single phase supply start to do charging as soon as they get home in the evening at large amperages - the local networks are going to be under strain.

                        hot summer evening with AC full blast and charging your car

                        mmmm more service fees by electricity providers to upgrade the networks .

                        planning could alleviate it - but yeah - planning by the state and feds govts for joined up thinking ... hmmm
                        Just offer people the option of charging on off peak tarrifs.

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by Jim View Post
                          I'd say at a guess it wasn't liquified, as you say, and he just ran it on domestic pipe pressure.
                          It's also the completely wrong chemical composition to run in an LPG car.

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                            #73
                            from service station LPG is mainly propane with a butane mix

                            the differences between the two gases where it matters is not much really, energy content is around the same, gravity is almost exactly the same, flame temp is almost the same. The main thing to my eyes is the container size as one can't be liquified but from an engine perspective most ECU's can compensate for either, I've seen guys hooking up bbq bottles in emergency
                            Originally posted by BeverlyHillsCop
                            I think u should marry her... slip the ring inside your ass and next time she goes in, she'll come out with a ring on her finger...

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                              #74
                              Town gas is natural gas, different make up compared to LPG. It is possible to refill CNG vehicles at home from your house gas. An LPG engine will not run on CNG unless some modifications are done, can't remember exactly what they are off hand.

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                                #75
                                [QUOTE=irsa76;842854878]Town gas is natural gas, different make up compared to LPG. It is possible to refill CNG vehicles at home from your house gas. /QUOTE]

                                Hlonda sold a CNG Civic in the USA with a home refilled kit

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