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    #31
    Tex, we hold the plane on the brakes at a standstill until the engines are stable at about 30% thrust - we check the rpms, temps, and pressures to make sure they're all behaving - then let the brakes go and push the power up the rest of the way. We're normally up around 145kph before the power is settled on take-off power.
    I guess we could go to max power on the brakes, but it's not a good idea as the engines will, for example, suck a man standing in front of the plane nearly 25 metres away, let along crud on the runway and grass on the sides.
    For other reasons it's also dangerous to do. For example, if one engine stalls (yes, it can happen) and loses power when the other three are up near maximum then the plane WILL turn very sharply and most likely will go right off the side of the runway, you just can't stop it in time. Being a rather expensive toy, we don't do that.

    However .... one day in Liverpool in the UK we were empty and did a full power take-off and I would it up a fair bit on the brakes before letting it go. The thrust was so much that the nosewheel nearly jumped right off the ground! We hardly used any runway at all, and blasted up at a really steep angle into the cloudy English sky.
    The really run bit was that the tower called us up and said that we'd dug a hole in the runway from all that thrust! (Yeesssss, my work is done .... )


    The stall speed varies with a few things, but the simple answer is from about as low as only 165kph up to as high as 430kph.

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      #32
      Damn, that makes any car look like an inferior, underpowered piece of crap :D

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        #33
        Yeah, wussy little cars.
        I can STAND UP inside my inlet manifold!!!!



        Then there's the other three engines ....
        BTW, those are the smallest engines forthe 747 - Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7A's, a mere 43,000lbs of thrust. The big GE CF6's are 60,600lbs.

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          #34
          I want to see you standing in a 777 nacelle, Bill. :D

          You won't look so tall then, you lanky bugger! :p

          What is the pitot tube above your noggin used for measuring? Is it something to do with the engines themselves, or just something simple like airspeed?

          Tex
          Teh nice guy can never win!

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            #35
            It's the P1 probe, which when referenced with the P6 probe at the rear of the engine give information to the EPR gauge.
            Well, you did ask ....

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              #36
              Tell me what EPR is an acronym for and that should satisfy my curiosity. Exhaust Pressure something?

              Tex
              Teh nice guy can never win!

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                #37
                Yep, Engine Pressure Ratio - The difference in pressure between the front of the engine and the rear.
                Max power on the ground is about 1.68 or so, and at altitude about 1.77 or so. We normally cruise at about 1.53 - 1.62 or so. That's Roller power only, the Pratts are different.
                We also reference fan rpms as well, as sometimes the EPR gauges can be a bit out. For example they can sometimes get an insect jammed up the P1 probe, so it looks like we've got more power than what we think, so we always look at the revs on take-off to check that one engine isn't running too slowly.
                The GE's don't use EPR at all, only rpm.

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                  #38
                  Cool, that's what I thought it'd be for when you mentioned there was another sensor at the back. My curiosity is sated for today, thanks. :D

                  /hijack.

                  Tex
                  Teh nice guy can never win!

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Bill Sherwood
                    However .... one day in Liverpool in the UK we were empty and did a full power take-off and I would it up a fair bit on the brakes before letting it go. The thrust was so much that the nosewheel nearly jumped right off the ground! We hardly used any runway at all, and blasted up at a really steep angle into the cloudy English sky.

                    The really run bit was that the tower called us up and said that we'd dug a hole in the runway from all that thrust! (Yeesssss, my work is done .... )
                    hahahahah, GOLD!

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                      #40
                      Stalling up to full thrust every time is also bad from an airframe fatigue point of view.
                      I've gone through a technical report detailing changes to increase fatigue life on a certain aircraft. One of the changes was to change the loading case and flight manual from 100% thrust while on brakes every take off, to less thrust.
                      Arguing with an engineer is a lot like wrestling in the mud with a pig. After a few hours, you realise that he likes it
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                        #41
                        IJFOTFAFLMFAOANPM @ psssi98 :D :D :D muhemhayhemhay
                        Black 1993 R32 gts-t skyline
                        Undecided 1965ish 4 door Mk 1 Cortina (Lonnnnnnnnng term project)

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                          #42
                          Are u married Bill?

                          Interested in marrying my sister? shes pretty good looking

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                            #43
                            To pSSSi98


                            Teh Engineer 0wNz j00


                            From MiG and The Poopat :p :D

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                              #44
                              Peal, nah, not married.
                              Done deal.

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                                #45
                                This is starting to look like a Pool room addition...

                                Hey can you imagine sitting in your seat, in fairly empty 747 taxi-ing out onto the runway when all the the stewards and stewardesses have finished the saftey demonstation and they all piss-bolt to their seat and tighten their belt *really* tight...

                                I reckon that I would be thinking - Hey, Bill must be the pilot on this run !!!! - Hang on !!!!

                                :p :p :p :D :D :D

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