Unnecessary/Dangerous School Zones

[Fatboy]

Sorry Cyberian Knight, but in my opinion you are a goose.
I can't sugar coat it, your reply to my post indicates you are nothing but an ignorant selfish belligerent bore.
I hope one day when you have kids of your own or a member of your family is involved in a pedestrian accident you recall your Nazi style approach to the world...

[skitz_supra]

personal attacks don't make for a good argument

nazi? i also must be a nazi because i want people (and parents) to take responsibility for there actions (edit: or what they teach others).......

shifty has a quote "be very carfull what you put in that head, becuase you will never ever get it out again" we just have to make sure that kids know that it is NEVER ok to cross busy roads at anything other than an overpass or set of lights, like i said previously, we can't keep cars off roads, but we can keep kids off them....

strange thing about school zones, parents say they want there kids to be safer, but drop kids off and pick them up in cars with bull bars....

[Setanta]

Hahahaha - I just came back to this thread and Cyberian is STILL telling everyone it's ok to kill somebody!!!!! **** me, this has degenerated into the funniest thread ever

Skitz is now telling us that kids will never have a lapse of attention - as if adults never do.

As for personal attacks, they are opinions as Fatboy said. I personally like this one "ignorant selfish belligerent bore" - spot on the money.

But of course, I'll just get shouted down by Cyberian and his buddies - predictable.

I'm sorry - sorry that really, you are so caught up in your own little world that you can't consider the notion of the value of human life. Hopefully you wont screw up as you all seem to be so perfect.

Keep the thread going guys - I need a good laugh

[Che Castro]

lol setanta & fatboy - very funny

skitz, you can want children to be responsible for themselves all you want, but they are children and will do stupid stupid things. Who can honestly say that they always did what their parents told them...

I hate big 4wd's with massive bullbars too, thats another issue. They're bad also because they have awful visibility behind and beside them, especially if there are short kids around them.

[CyberianKnight]

Originally posted by FatBoy
Sorry Cyberian Knight, but in my opinion you are a goose.
I can't sugar coat it, your reply to my post indicates you are nothing but an ignorant selfish belligerent bore.
I hope one day when you have kids of your own or a member of your family is involved in a pedestrian accident you recall your Nazi style approach to the world...

LOL! I see your tactic now, which goes along the lines of 'Hey look! He made logically sound arguments and presented a more foolproof idea to solve the problem! What the hell should we do? I know! Lets ignore it all, call him a goose and wait for our fellow crusaders for more dead kids and irresponsibility because it fits well with our miscontextualised bleeding-heart ideology, to come forth and clap!'

Brilliant!

[CyberianKnight]

Originally posted by Setanta
Hahahaha - I just came back to this thread and Cyberian is STILL telling everyone it's ok to kill somebody!!!!! **** me, this has degenerated into the funniest thread ever

Skitz is now telling us that kids will never have a lapse of attention - as if adults never do.

As for personal attacks, they are opinions as Fatboy said. I personally like this one "ignorant selfish belligerent bore" - spot on the money.

But of course, I'll just get shouted down by Cyberian and his buddies - predictable.

I'm sorry - sorry that really, you are so caught up in your own little world that you can't consider the notion of the value of human life. Hopefully you wont screw up as you all seem to be so perfect.

Keep the thread going guys - I need a good laugh

We're not the one's who find ourselves having to resort to personal insults. Although the idea of fencing certain school zones and creating a society whereby personal responsibility is paramount may be insulting to you because it will work better than your cherished schoolzones but sadly not conform to whatever ideology that you subscribe to.

[Setanta]

hahahah - gold... you know... I've never met someone totally lacking in moral responsibility before.

Keep up the good work.

You know - I almost wish you were trolling... but you aren't are you :p

[Manuel]

Originally posted by Che Castro
i think i have to agree with kangz and satanta.

fencing won't always solve the problem, its not as easy as that. This restricts movement of all pedestrians which could even create more risk in some situations.

flashing lights are a good idea.

the point of these kind of laws is to minimize risk to life whilst maintaining reasonable use of the road.

How can it ever be OK to run someone over? Someone's life has ended! It doesn't matter if it wasn't you're fault, if you have any kind of conscience it will be with you forever especially if it was a child.

and speaking of children, they do stupid things no matter what you tell them.

At uni my faculty is on one side of City road, and the Carslaw building is on the other side where we commonly have lectures. The closest crossing is via the wentworth building. But due to the ingenious design of the wentworth building, to get up the the overpass you have to go to the other end and back and up 2 staircases to actually get there.

So really no one bothers and we all just risk running across city rd (four lane major road) to the median strip which is a foot wide or so. Mind you, as architecture students we are always carrying large things like t squares or large folders etc. its quite scary having a truck pass about 30cm away from you while your standing on the foot wide median strip.

There have been incidents of people getting hit in the past, but not whilst i have been there. My point is that it's not just schools that need 40 zones at times.

The problem is that fencing wont solve anything as there are several driveways as well as parking on city road, there is no space for a cross over, the closest traffic lighst are about ~30m away or so. Its a pretty stuffed up situation there.

i think people will almost always put convenience ahead of safety, young children would be even worse.

Death, manslaughter, murder, its all bad. I totally agree, right or wrong, one person has lost their life, one family has lost their loved one, and the other party in the incident is scarred for life (how could they not be).

I suppose the issue we are dealing with here is are we supposed to keep pedestrians off the road (fences) or are we supposed to increase driver care and response (low speed limits), whilst trying to minimise any injuries which may occur.

It kind of reminds me of a anti-lock braking / airbag discussion I was having with friends. "Would you rather have a better chance of preventing an accident or would you rather have a better chance of surviving if an accident were to occur". There are many factors to consider.

As for City Road, I'd suggest a fence on the median strip, it may prevent people from trying to cross the road there, I have seen this done at my old high school (Parramatta Marist) and I must say there is very little point in crossing the road anywhere other than the traffic lights (which seem to be 'kind' to pedestrians in school zones).

Besides, it may make those damn window washer people stop from trying to 'clean' my windows with pond water!

[CyberianKnight]

Originally posted by Setanta
hahahah - gold... you know... I've never met someone totally lacking in moral responsibility before.

Keep up the good work.

You know - I almost wish you were trolling... but you aren't are you :p

And I haven't met anyone who dodges sound logical arguments and ignores good suggestions that fulfills your own sense of moral responsibility before.

[CyberianKnight]

Originally posted by Manuel

As for City Road, I'd suggest a fence on the median strip, it may prevent people from trying to cross the road there, I have seen this done at my old high school (Parramatta Marist) and I must say there is very little point in crossing the road anywhere other than the traffic lights (which seem to be 'kind' to pedestrians in school zones).

Hey that's an even BETTER idea than fencing the pedestrian footpaths! Fence the median!

Man why didn't I think of that? :D

[Che Castro]

yeah actually that is a good idea, it would force me to actually cross at the lights...

well maybe not highish fences, but collision barriers that are a bit lower... so there is no space for anyone to stand and it also will prevent cars crashing in to each other. Its also safe if someone has to get out of their car for some reason (fire?) and run across the road.

i don't know all the implications of putting some kind of barrier on the median strip though...

[Setanta]

Originally posted by CyberianKnight
And I haven't met anyone who dodges sound logical arguments and ignores good suggestions that fulfills your own sense of moral responsibility before.

Hahahahaha - you know, the funniest thing is that you truly take yourself seriously :D :D :D

"Troll troll trol your boat... "

[old baggins]

On a public road, a car is a car, it is transport, it gets you from one place to another, A to B, nothing more nothing less, it is a privelige. It will get you to work on time or near enough, it will get you to the movies, you can have a $hitload of fun with them at a skidpan or a circuit. Pretty basic stuff.

Sure we are passionate about them, we race them, some show them, we certainly love to talk about them, and some of us are waaay too attached to them.

They should be treated with the utmost of respect, especially on public roads and especially around schools. I really don't see the problem by obeying these rules no matter how silly they may appear, try to lead by example.

A human life and a car cannot be compared.

some peoples thoughts, ideas and attitudes absolutely f*cking amaze me, is there no compassion for human life anymore? Has everyone right to convinience and ignorance become so blinding? I think sometimes we forget what is important and what life is really all about. It certainly isn't about some of the things discussed in this thread.

[Lobster]

Hmm...

So, I have a question....

Do the kids at the school, actually cross the road or do they use the overpass and such?

[Manuel]

Originally posted by CyberianKnight
Hey that's an even BETTER idea than fencing the pedestrian footpaths! Fence the median!

Man why didn't I think of that? :D

...because it may work well enough as a deterrant to save one person's life, making it well worth the effort and expense. Lets be nice. As car enthusiasts we may be able to make a difference by offering such suggestions to an authority who can assess and possibly implement things. It may not happen, but its worth a shot.

Maybe we can fence irresponsible people inside their houses, so they can't get out in public and perform irresponsible acts. Oh well, I guess thats what prisons are for.

You can't go fencing all of George St because people choose not to cross at the lights, but some effert can be made at schools and such to both give students little choice but to cross safely, and to make drivers aware that they are entering a school area which has children running about.

In schools we are dealing with kids who may not have the ability to think as rationally as (some) adults, so we have to make the tough decisions for the kids, such as where they should cross. I do know of primary schools where teachers help the kids get to their bus or to their parents car, one by one. Its a very efficient system installed after one too many accidents, and although it may be a bit of a pain for all at times, i'm sure they are willing to put in the effort.