Lets compare the 2.0L's

[08RUT]

Originally posted by T0nyGTSt

The GM Family 2 isn't a bad motor being in Korean cars, trucks and the old N13 Pulsar.

one word dude


CAMIRA

[GTI124]

XU10J4RS

[Tripper]

Originally posted by Evo_Lee
Matt: I'm no expert on Honda engines, speaking to a number of Japanese tuners the B20B is the best kept secret as everyone thinks the popular ones are only choice. B20B - strong block, good torque range and can be stroked to 2.1L...plenty of Civic racers with this setup if you head to the track over here and a few Integras going around too. I guess also more the reason they are cheaper to pickup then a Type R engine or F20C.

I don't remember B20B having VTEC, they came out on the early CRVs and SM-X.

ok why did they want to put a SR20 into a Honda civic in Fast And The Furious.
movies dont lie so the SR wins hands down


:p

[Evo_Lee]

Really...didn't take much notice of the Honda :p

Bet that would have make the Honda boys squeal...:D:D:D

[rhspecr]

Originally posted by 08RUT
one word dude


CAMIRA

Please dont use the "C" word in here again. Some people, including myself find it highly offensive.

[Matt]

Originally posted by DaiOni
From my understanding (which is often flawed), one of the key reasons vvt (et al) is employed is because it offers economy AND performance (ie: good economy during 'normal' driving). So, essentially, while VVT does offer benefits, a 'real' performance equation would be Turbo + Best Possible Aftermarket Cam(s) = Awesome!!

Hi DaiOni,

I agree - partly. Heres an example - the specs for HKS Step PRO (or step 4 if you want to look at it that way) cams for the RB26 are 290 degrees in duration at 11mm of lift. These cams are strictly for race use only.

The stock Honda B16a uses 290 degrees on it's power cam, with 11.5mm of lift...

The Nissan SR20VE uses 292 degree cams (on the big cam) with 12.5mm lift...

So to sum up - the two variable valve timing engines I've just shown you have bigger cams standard than all but the fastest GT-R's - and they retain a nice emissions compliant idle

Cheers,
Matt

[mad]

FIat Abarth/Lancia Beta 2L turbo with a P.O.S. turbo put out 500+ hp.

Rod Millen also got some nice numbers from the 3SGTE Toyota Mill for the hillclimb celica.

[DaiOni]

Matt - though I can see where you're coming from, my opinion is that "it's a performance car" - as far as I'm concerned, fuel and emissions go out the window. Great if you want a stock, legal car I guess.

[itsnotagsr]

Originally posted by predator666
what car is the 4G63T engine in? Is it the evo engine?

Depends if price is a factor you guys are using i guess.

SR20DET is nice and cheap.. same with RB20DET .. maybe not best 2L engine ever, but best cheapest 2L engine ever :p

4G series has been used in heaps of different models in a range of capacities. The 4G63T was used in the VR4 and also all of the Evo series.

Sr20 would probably cost the same new as any of the other engines. What I think you are referring to may be second hand prices... That is merely a factor of how many were produced. The evo series had limited production runs as they were all homogolation specials. The sr's in S13s -> 15s etc werent subject to these issues. Its like comparing 300kw GTS engines with 308s.

[itsnotagsr]

Originally posted by mad


Rod Millen also got some nice numbers from the 3SGTE Toyota Mill for the hillclimb celica.

Correct me if Im wrong, but dont early (st185 etc) 3sgte's lift the heads if boosted over 1-1.2 bar? I seem to remeber also hearing that they had cooling issues which resulted in head gaskets and split bores. However this may be due to the applications they were used in. The Mr2 and GT4s didnt have the best air flows for cooling purposes.

[Billzilla]

Originally posted by mad
Rod Millen also got some nice numbers from the 3SGTE Toyota Mill for the hillclimb celica.

I'm not sure he used the 3SGTE in his cars, I thought he used this one ->



It's the 2.2 litre '503' engine, and they make a LOT more power than a 3SGTE ever could.

[Matt]

DaiOni - fair enough
Each to their own I guess...

[Swifty GTi]

If you guys are going to throw an SR20DET into the mix, at least make it the GTI-R SR20DET - the others are the soft SR's.

[Jim]

FWIW the Starfire was used in the sunbird toranas, VB/VC commodore and the '78 to '83 corona. It was sold to Toyota as stated by Hamish I think to get enough local content to avoid taxes. they used a borg warner diff and trimatic auto or borg warner 4/5sp manual I think it was.

The starfire used the same rods as the GTR XU1. It was based on the 12 port blue motor six, first seen in the VB commodore, not the red motor per se. The starfire was what holden used to redesign the head to make the blue motor 12 port heads and slightly stronger block. so if you like holdens, you can thank the POS starfire for the "development" of the red motor to blue motor six. the rest of us recon they should have killed the series off in '80.

*edit* forgot to mention it was called a "1X" motor when in the toyotas. XT series coronas were the victims.

Much respect to the SR motors! Honda motors are like swiss watches in their design and manufacture, and just as fun to work on....not.

[Ben Wilson]

Originally posted by 200sxtc
From a few engine builders I have spoken to, the FJ20DET is a very strong unit but it is heavy and getting a little old. I would put the Cosworth in the same category. Still my pics as the best though.

I've heard that the SR20 isn't much lighter than the FJ, and it has extra weight up top (rockers). I'll have to say that the FJ20 I looked at the ports etc of looked very impressive for a standard motor.

A firend of mine has a Lancia 2lt twin cam turbo and that also looks to be a very impressive thing (if it wasn't cursed with a bloody Italian electrical system).