Pajero 2.8 TD

[Tirlista]

Originally posted by Spammy
how many millions of km?? (spent underground in a uranium mine)

:D hahaha, got me giggling there!

One of mates does a lot of 4wd type work and his business has a Rover 2.5(?) tdi. The thing hoots around town no dramas, he's taken it down the track, its been where 'cruisers rule the roost etc. He says its a great car.

One day, hes towing a boat and trailer full of stuff after a field expedition and bang the motor lets go when he was cruisin' at ~90-100kms/h. The car at this point had only done about 100k kms, not much for a 4wd in the territory.

Still to this day he can't fault the Rover. He is pissed he had to spend roughly $7,000 on the motor, but otherwise his business has released the car and fitted OME shocks and some other shit and are going to keep it for the immediate future.

[edo]

Secoh, that'd be the 4.2 petrol that I really really dont want. 400litres per 100km. Plus to get something in that condition up to scratch aint gonna be cheap...that'd put it way over $15k

[Captiva Fan]

Originally posted by edo
I like 'cruisers...I know you don't.

Oh, don't take my disdain for 4WD's in general to be pointedly aimed at only Landbruisers; they all suck onroad. If I were being blackmailed into getting a large one, it'd most-likely BE a Landbruiser for reliability reasons - you might get there stressed & tired, but at least you'd get there!

[edo]

I dunno why you think you have to arrive tired & stressed...Ive done many a 1000+ km day in all sorts of 4wds (although notably never the discovery...didnt run for that long at once) & its never been a cause of tiredness or stress ('cept in the disco where you were stressed about actually arriving).

Never had any complaints from passengers about comfort either.

I think youre just a big soft marshmallow man who complains about far far too much...

[Captiva Fan]

Originally posted by edo
I think youre just a big soft marshmallow man who complains about far far too much...

Of that I have no doubt!

I dunno why you think you have to arrive tired & stressed...

The continual course-correction with the 4WD's I've driven are just really, really tiring. Having said that, I've not driven any of the soft-roaders on the highway, only Patrols, Pajeros, Landbruisers, Discos & Rangies.

Never had any complaints from passengers about comfort either.

Well they ain't the ones who've got to concentrate 10x as hard on just staying in the same position within the lane ... :D

[edo]

I know what youre talking about, they wander a bit...thats OK just let it go, it only moves a very small amount inside the lane. You get used to it.
If you sit there trying to correct every little meander it just makes it worse & you end up chasing yourself. If you just let it go it will be fine...

Sheeesh...

[Spammy]

I gotta agree with Edo...my rangie was stress free to drive...bags of torque, 4sd auto, arm chair ride, arm rests on all seats, tonnes of leg room, high driving position & don't fu(k with me size in traffic .....all made for a very comfortable long distance cruiser.

As for wander ...I back my Rangie as having 1/10 of the wander of a 2 series Volvo.

[edo]

Id actually rate my 200sx with all its suspension work as much more stressful to drive on long highway trips, it was obviously set up for getting around corners & was very direct & even twitchy with its steering response in a straight line.

[Captiva Fan]

Originally posted by Spammy
As for wander ...I back my Rangie as having 1/10 of the wander of a 2 series Volvo.

The 80- & 100-series, the 4.6 HSE, the 3.9 Disco, the GQII Patrol & the 1997 Pajero, all 90's (or newer) vehicles, all had WAY more wander than my 1980 242GT, 2 of my friend's GT's, and another friend's '86 240 wagon. Your brother's 264 had rooted rear suspension rubbers; they're about the largest bushes in the automotive-suspension world, so affect stability & feel even more than rooted shocks.
Those vehicles were also all worse than my 244GLE, but it's so bent that you're constantly pulling on the wheel to stop it from veering off into the scenery; so that doesn't count.

[edo]

Ive never driven a 2 series volvo.
Ive driven a 740T & a S40 (I think, a little turbo FWD thing) & they were both pretty horrible devices. Im glad you like em Forg

[Captiva Fan]

I've not driven an S40, but I know they get a terrible panning from the press. The 740 was only a tad better than the 240. And yet both 240 & 740 are better to drive on the road than the real offroad 4WD's.
I've never said this was a positive comment about a 240 ... 240's only have good onroad feel compared to other late 70's cars, and even then it's partially 'cos they generally don't deteriorate as quickly. The 242 compared favourably with the likes of the first 323i's (not "better than", only "very nearly as good as"), but 240's didn't get updated after that (they just gained weight & lost power).
All that really tells me is that just about any car from the last 20 years is going to be better than any offroad-capable 4WD. If the Terrortory actually has any offroad ability, then the fact that it allegedly handles better than a Falcon wagon means it's a pretty special device!

[edo]

Territory doesnt get low range...so its not going to be much chop in the dirt. Same as Adventura
Merc ML does but having driven that & the IFS 100 series cruiser...you go with the toyota especially considering the price difference.
IFS cruiser drives like a car...a big car but a car nonetheless a car, a different beast to an 80 series of 100 with the live axle front end.

[Captiva Fan]

I'd forgotten about the ML500 'd driven ... yeah, actually, that was probably barely any more "wandery" than an old 240. Shocking build quality for a Merc though, regardless of price c/f other 5.0 Mercs; I can see why the dealers were re-assembling them.

Don't know that the 100 I've driven has the IFS either, it's a 4.5 GXL 5spd. Very easy vehicle to drive in terms of stopping & going; heaps of torque, clutch is very quick to get used to & it's so tractable that you don't pig-root down the road even if you haven't driven a manual for over a year. Just a shame about it's cornering & high-speed behaviour.

[edo]

Nup, twas a beam axle one. The V8s & later TDs have the IFS, the old 4.5 6 didnt.

Yes, I was very dissapointed with the ML, both build (it is american though) & driving mainly because the cruiser was better at both.

New ML is due at end of year but will probably lose the low range & be like a X5/territory...

[Captiva Fan]

I don't think the ML had any offroad advantages over an X5 except for the low-range anyway, did it? Still, considering that a low-range 'box probably only costs an extra $200 at most for MB, I wonder if they'd consider leaving one as being at least available, if only for "offroad cred" reasons. G-Wagen still exists overseas too, I believe?

Territories everywhere!! Are they released yet? Dominelli Ford at Kirrawee aren't, AFAIK, some national-profile dealer, and yet there seem to be Territories all over the place in Kirrawee!