Proposed speed limiters, HP limits on cars

[rowdytoot]

dazza.... I agree 110% that people need to pay more attention..

lowering already low speed limits and offering drivers some kind of implied assurances that at the speed limit or below they are safe, and above it instant death awaits, is a sure fire way to make sure paying attention to anything but the speed limit is the last thing they do..

Therein lies the crux of this whole issue..

A bored, lowly skilled, complacent pilot is the last thing any rational, sane person would choose to put in a 1.5 tonne + projectile, but that's apparently what the gumbyment wants, and is pushing all car pilots to become.

Rowds

[Zac]

The Govt wouldn't have any real chance of implementing this on existing cars, would they? So we just don't buy any more new cars! Then they tighten the legislation again to eliminate old cars...

[Billzilla]

Originally posted by Hotgemini
Forg: Would you be willing to help me draft the "Community safety, patriotism, cute puppies, stopping evil Bill 2004"?

Curses!
Foiled again!

[Steve Whitney]

Originally posted by zac
The Govt wouldn't have any real chance of implementing this on existing cars, would they? So we just don't buy any more new cars! Then they tighten the legislation again to eliminate old cars...

yep.

any cars built before 2005 (or there abouts, whatever will suit the gumbyment) will be imposed with a 300% increase in registration fees.

they'll screw us one way or another.

[The Pupat]

I don't know if you read the book too well then onezero. From what I remember nobody liked big brother in it, but they did nothing because they were told it's legal to do this and illegal to do that.

[intehnet]

I wrote this on another forum, it's only my opinion, you don't have to agree.. but here it is...
as a point of procrastination from study, i wrote this out



As a starting point, let me state that I am an enthusiast of high performance vehicles, and the legal racing of them; and I am opposed to illegal racing, and the negative effects on the community that this has.

Upon reading the article in this thread, it saddens me. It's a shame SOME cops are so out of touch… It really is.
If they really want "hoons" to stop their street (illegal) drags, they're going about it all the completely wrong way, which is only set to cost tax payers money, and police time, while the problem continues.

Putting on speed limiters and horsepower limits is only going to force it further underground, making it more dangerous. These limits are imposed in Japan, where no company is allowed to produce a mass production car with above 280bhp (208kw), and speed limited to 180kmph. These limits are simply removed by after market tuners for as little as $50. The limits suggested are also quite badly researched. The prospect of a 110kmph limiter is terrible, traveling at 10km/ph (110kmph) faster than a 40m road train traveling at 100kmph in a 110kmph speed zone would take dangerously long to over take, even with a 1km overtaking stretch.

What the Police need to learn is positive re-enforcement. They need to learn to concentrate on encouraging good behavior, rather than punish bad behavior. Street racing has been around for many years, and it’s not about to just disappearing because of 2 easily removed limits on a young hoon’s pride and joy.

This article is clearly directed at modified cars that are perceived to be too dangerous. The facts in this article are extremely erroneous. A standard family sedan will reach 100kmph in 8 seconds, and many modified cars can reach this speed in under 4 seconds, and are available to inexperienced drivers with often less than 2 months driving experience under their belt.
The article highlights the lack of Police education on the matter, a problem the community is left to deal with every day. If the Police would like our vehicles modifications to conform to ADR, encourage us to get them checked out, don’t fine us, take our vehicle off the road. This forces many to remove the modifications, pass inspection, and re-apply the modifications. The police won the battle, but they are losing the war on this one.

In my opinion, the Police need to become a lot further in touch with the community that is enthused with racing.
As a few starting points, they could:

• Encourage a legal outlet of speed. Perhaps by sponsoring drag racing nights at the local speedway, making it cheaper and more available to the public. Currently in W.A, one could only race once a week, and getting a spot in this time slot is rather difficult.

• Reward GOOD driving. Most of these machines also stop and steer infinite times better than your average car. A drive who avoids an accident should be rewarded. Even just a few words of praise goes a long way, and enhances the relationship between citizen and Police.

• Encourage modifiers to get permits to prove the legality of vehicle modifications, we both win this one! Police don’t have to waste their time hassling the driver, checking the vehicle or looking for illegal modifications.

• Offer, encourage or demand training for drivers of high performance vehicles. Many accidents are caused by drivers who are unable to control their high powered vehicle. Fundamentals of driver education should be how to regain control of a vehicle that is off course and ready to cause an accident. By teaching a driver the value of how to drive at the limit, they are more likely to realize the dangers involved with speeding, and the fine line between control, and loss of control.

• If restrictions are to be imposed on horsepower, why should those who are trained and experienced with high performance vehicles suffer? Younger drivers with P plates should be restricted to slower vehicles, until they can pass a second test to be taken off their prohibition by proving their advanced control of a motor vehicle.


Restrictions of vehicles should be aimed at the following issues:

• Road worthiness (seat belts, brakes, suspension, tyres)
• Noise pollution (current standards are fantastic, but are rarely enforced. Many quiet aftermarket exhaust systems are given a “sticker” simply because they are aftermarket.
• Air pollution (Many high powered cars run “rich”, polluting the atmosphere with unburned fuel.)

Driver training should teach the following points:
• Reacting to hazards
• Controlling vehicle at higher speeds
• Regaining control during a spin
• Heavy breaking without locking the wheels


In a brief conclusion, Police need to learn how to be our friend, not our foe; Then we will respect you, and the laws you uphold.

Post your thoughts, opinions, arguements.

[Sebstar]

lol. speed limit of 110. lol. speedo limited to 110...
as someone else said. this won't stop speeding... It will do fk all.

[GT4_Jase]

jzz30 - VERY well said, but is a similar opinion to what most people on here would share.

Although i think there should be mandatory advanced driver training, and those drivers holding a provisional licence may apply for an un-restricted licence at any time after they have completed advanced driver training. Not make them waith 3 years to hold an un-restricted licence.

The 3 year period in NSW is a joke. Limiting P platers to 90km/h or 100km/h is stupid, and does not serve any purpose.
All it does is piss off people that haveto sit behind them on the highway, which is one reason P platers can be given a bad reputation.

[dazza]

I agree with the stupidity of NSW etc slowing P plated to 90 is dangerous! Infact anyone driving below 100 on the highway I find is dangerous

Infact I imagine most people would agree a person doing 110 is far less dangerous than someone doing 90 (in regard to traffic flow of 100)

[GT4_Jase]

What about people on Provisional for motorbikes.....80km/h!!!
Now THATS dangerous.

Although the bike i was on while on my P's could only do around 80, lol

[dazza]

Jase must have been a pretty crap bike!

[Captiva Fan]

Originally posted by GT4_Jase
The 3 year period in NSW is a joke. Limiting P platers to 90km/h or 100km/h is stupid, and does not serve any purpose.
All it does is piss off people that haveto sit behind them on the highway, which is one reason P platers can be given a bad reputation.

*guffaws at thought of ever being stuck behind a P-plater*
:D

[GT4_Jase]

yes dazza, XL250
top speed of 116km/h when new, when 18 years old, top speed of actually closer to 90km/h