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    #16
    Looks bloody brilliant. Small, turbo AWD hatchback is a bit of a niche market though, especially if only in manual.

    I can see them being Audi S1 prices - $45-50k + ORC, and they'll sell approximately three of them if so.

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      #17
      If it costs more than a GTI it ain't selling.
      Originally posted by brasher
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        #18
        Could Tojo be getting there Mojo back? Glad to see some new Japanese coolness.
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          #19
          Not bad

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            #20
            Originally posted by TJ View Post
            If it costs more than a GTI it ain't selling.
            Toyota reliability might make it sell ... realistically, it can’t be significantly more than a Clio RS.
            Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Captiva Fan View Post
              Toyota reliability might make it sell ... realistically, it can’t be significantly more than a Clio RS.
              True - it's not Corolla sized so can't be GTI priced.
              Originally posted by brasher
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                #22
                I remember back to when the 86 got released we were all surprised with the launch pricing being lower than we thought it would be. I’m hoping this will be the same. Sureky it has to be around polo GTI pricing. Still a niche market like mrpurple mentioned.
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Captiva Fan View Post
                  Toyota reliability might make it sell ... realistically, it can’t be significantly more than a Clio RS.
                  Depends, if it has 200kw, AWD and lots of other goodies it's a completely different segment to the Clio RS. I reckon it'll be at least $45k probably more.
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by 23Kev View Post
                    I remember back to when the 86 got released we were all surprised with the launch pricing being lower than we thought it would be. I’m hoping this will be the same. Sureky it has to be around polo GTI pricing. Still a niche market like mrpurple mentioned.
                    While this is true, there's sorta/kinda a precedent ... the Europe-only Yaris GRMN was about the equivalent of AU$45k, and it was FWD. However, it was also pretty manual-labourey, like an HSV, whereas this will be properly mass-produced.

                    Originally posted by Rona View Post
                    Depends, if it has 200kw, AWD and lots of other goodies it's a completely different segment to the Clio RS. I reckon it'll be at least $45k probably more.
                    I think the market struggles to put things outside of a 'box' based on perceived dimensions ... if it looks like a Yaris, I think potential buyers will struggle to see it as anything outside whatever segment the base Yaris lives in.
                    Last edited by Captiva Fan; 18-12-19, 08:00 AM.
                    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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                      #25
                      No way this is affordable. Look at Corolla pricing!!!
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Captiva Fan View Post
                        I think the market struggles to put things outside of a 'box' based on perceived dimensions ... if it looks like a Yaris, I think potential buyers will struggle to see it as anything outside whatever segment the base Yaris lives in.
                        Also moreso Toyota will struggle to justify selling it without a huge profit margin.

                        A 1.2L AWD CH-R is basically a Yaris on stilts and is about $41k onroad. This'll probably cost twice as much as one of those to make so Toyota will have no interest selling it at less than $45k. What's more, 99% of buyers would probably feel like they get more car with a 1.2L CH-R because it's an 'SUV'.

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                          #27
                          General public won't even look at it because it's manual.
                          It's an enthusiasts car only, whether they'll actually buy it new and not wait to get one used is the real question.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by 23Kev View Post
                            I remember back to when the 86 got released we were all surprised with the launch pricing being lower than we thought it would be. I’m hoping this will be the same. Sureky it has to be around polo GTI pricing. Still a niche market like mrpurple mentioned.
                            Exactly - remember how we were all saying they would do something stupid like only offer it in automatic for $50k? Even though the Supra is expensive it's not $150k like it would have been at the height of Toyota Australia's insanity. I think they've gotten much better at this sort of thing over the last ten years or so.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Mr Purple View Post

                              Also moreso Toyota will struggle to justify selling it without a huge profit margin.

                              A 1.2L AWD CH-R is basically a Yaris on stilts and is about $41k onroad. This'll probably cost twice as much as one of those to make so Toyota will have no interest selling it at less than $45k. What's more, 99% of buyers would probably feel like they get more car with a 1.2L CH-R because it's an 'SUV'.
                              That pricing is more to do with SUV tax than anything else, given the top of the range Yaris (with the same power output) comes in at under $25k...
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                                #30
                                Yes. Which gives you an idea on how much more Toyota make on SUVs. I wonder what the production cost difference between a Yaris and an AWD CH-R is? Presumably whatever the cost of the AWD system is - and they can charge $16k extra.

                                This is why most companies have next to no interest in selling performance cars - limited market, they're much more expensive to make and engineer, and you can make a load more profit selling SUVs at a premium to people who don't give a fuck about performance.

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