New Toyota Mark X

[fdrx7]

John Conomos hates motorsports and performance cars, but if he though he had a kraut-beater he'd bring it here. He doesn't so he won't.

[itsnotagsr]

Just give us a semi-pov spec (ie without all the leather and sat nav and other electronic stuff) 4 door with a 1J or 2J, make it turn and stop (something which Avalons/Camrys struggle to do) and compete with the XR6T.

[scoopy]

Just give us a semi-pov spec (ie without all the leather and sat nav and other electronic stuff) 4 door with a 1J or 2J, make it turn and stop (something which Avalons/Camrys struggle to do) and compete with the XR6T.

JZX100 Chaser?

[hakosuka]

it only has to be better than Avalon and Camry

so would a turd from satans' bumhole.

Oh, yeah, all those 25yo's driving around in $20k grey-imports would drop run into Toyota dealers at the drop of a hat if they could buy them new for $70k ...

RUBBISH :D for several reasons.

1) I see 25 year olds driving NEW cars these days that cost $70K, so I don't think a high price will put off the ones that are cashed up (or their parents are or due to their drug selling activities).

2) When grey imports like the R33 etc frost came to Oz they were priced in the high $30's or so, and that was in 2000 dollars etc. And people were buying them.

3) It will only be $70K if the wowser Economos (jeez you would think having a Greek background would mean at least a little hot blooded revhead-ness would be present in the blood - I should know ) either loads it with heaps of luxury shit and/or badges it as a Lexus. But knowing him, he will get greedy and go for the maxumum profit option. Remember the $40k 5 door Sprinter a few years ago?

It never ceases to amaze me how cynical Toyota are, especially in their styling. I mean take a look at that taxi boot and the raised shutlines of the bonnet and boot. They will copy anything, even if it is shit.

Quote from Toyota headquarters "Hey BMW did the taxi boot and rasied shutlines with the 7 and now 5 series and most people thought it was ugly or at best controversial. But BMW did it and not some third rate company, so it MUST be OK to copy. If BMW's next car is styled with inspiration take from a dildo or toilet roll holder, then we must take our cue from them again."

The interior is nice but the dashboard is tacky and that central display looks like an afterthought - not very well integrated at all.

Never mind that Toyota is so huge with tremendous resources. They just can't be bother with doing anything original anymore. In hindsight that Crown from the early 1970's with the body coloured bumpers is even more radical in 2004.

[Evo_Lee]

If Toyota or any maker was to bring in the new Mark X and strip all the goodies off it what is the point, just stick with the white goods.

JDM cars over here many not carry the status of European cars, but I'd say they match them in every aspect in value for money, innovation, creature comforts and gadgets...hell if they brought in the Mark X it'd piss all over it's own Aust Spec LS430.

So the question remains why don't each of the makers bring up the standard across their model range...it's because we still won't see the point of paying extra for say built-in bluetooth technology, ITS saftey features, ion balance aircon...etc. It's all about the consumer if the consumer appreciates the need for such features/function, they will offer it else why bother.

[hakosuka]

just stick with the white goods.

I think they are destined to do just that.


They can't even come up with an original name. Mark X was the model name of the big Jaguar (420G) from the 1960's.

Where are Ford's lawyers when you need them?

[Nick]

hakosuka: The "Mark" range of cars goes back to the 60's itself. Who knows why they called it the "X" over the "II" it has been for a long time, perhaps they thought it was better or the PR department thought it up.

[hakosuka]

I am more than aware of that......... First Mark "2" was a car loosely based on the shovel nose Corona's -the RT60/70 series.

[Evo_Lee]

Yes, IIRC the first Corona Mark II was first released back in 1968 or 69!

[TonyJZX]

Well... look at yourselves!

That's a slice of the performance pie.

Do you have money? What cars do you want?

I know there ain't a single fucking car under $50,000 that is anywhere near my desire levels.

Or I'd be driving it...

T.

[hakosuka]

What actually is your desire level?

At the risk of turning this thread into an entirelynnew direction a Rex, whether or not you like boxers/turbos/4wd/Subarus etc will still outperform/outhandle almost anything under $100K, except for an STI or EVO and they are not too much over your $50K limit anyway.

[mirage]

There is no point comparing this to a Camry.

They couldn't be more difference in price, features, or market.

The Camry is a global car, this is a luxury car for a niche market.

Toyota DO have huge resources but because they are not heavily into the performance production cars they receive criticism here. However look at there market sales, and even closer, look at their design standards and philosphies which are being adopted by other makers. I doubt they are willing to trade huge global success for applause by under 30's Australian males who will only buy their cars 6 years old from a grey importer. Look at the increasing oil prices and the decreasing permissable emissions standards makers must design for.

[hakosuka]

There is no point comparing this to a Camry.

I aggree - it should be compared to a dishwasher - and the dishwasher will come out ahead.

Toyota DO have huge resources

All the more reason that they are in a better position than anyone else to pump out the whitegoods for 90% of the masses, keeping their managemment and financial markets happy and then offer performance niche products for those who care and don't live in Victoria :D A company that has billions in cash reserves can afford to do this, and it will be more than just under 30's Australian males that would be buying. After all realively inexpensive performance cars like the WRX for example sell very well overseas...

Look at the increasing oil prices and the decreasing permissable emissions standards makers must design for.

Doesn't stop the other smaller manufacturers form continually releasing interesting products. If they can do it, so can Toyota. They have more than enough $$ to deal with these issues.

[Evo_Lee]

look at their design standards and philosphies which are being adopted by other makers.

That is a true point, many many companies in Japan invite Toyota to come once a year to educate them on different areas of management, manufacturing principles and QA. Toyota lectures on how they do it, results & sucess, new techniques they are developing, etc. You probably call this technology sharing among Japanese companies to keep them ahead of Western companies...in return some of the technology we share or are developing is their new ITS safety systems for automatic braking and lane detection similar to the Honda system. I wonder if that is the one fitted in the new Mark X.

Toyota in Japan is definitely the leader in manufacturing techniques and management.

[hakosuka]

Toyota in Japan is definitely the leader in manufacturing techniques and managment.

Yes they have been ahead in this field and for a very long time too. No question about that.

Still make whitegoods though