Speed magazine.

[Bulgogi]

I prefer to be original and different than be "one of the sheep", personally.

Wobbler: The VL Panic one is about a couple of months old, I think.

[TRIAL]

and id rather go with a proven formula for performance, rather then try and be INDIVIDUAL and buy a car thats hard to modify. Why make it hard for yourself before you've even started. Lets face facts, if you want to build a car that has power and can handle, the sigma isnt gonna be high on the list, without a lot of work.

[[SPESHAL]]

You = Speed target audience.

Certainly am.

[Guido]

[QUOTE=[SPESHAL] I am a female sexual organ with odiphorous feet /QUOTE]

Certainly am.

If you say so...

[walkie]

and id rather go with a proven formula for performance, rather then try and be INDIVIDUAL and buy a car thats hard to modify. Why make it hard for yourself before you've even started. Lets face facts, if you want to build a car that has power and can handle, the sigma isnt gonna be high on the list, without a lot of work.

[Wobbler]

:worship:

[HareTrigger]

Geezzz...EGO alert.It might be an idea to compare horses with courses.
Lets go back to 82 shall we?? well atleast those that werent in nappies or a ball sack at the time.
EFI? nope...maybe in Merc's and BM's.

Intercoolers-yeah right.Sure they were known of,and possibly showing there heads in Japan,but seriously,you could not afford one.

Turbo's-it was a true black art,blow through carbs,no cooling NO BB and no water cooled housings.If you could afford a turbo setup,you were Jesus on water and you had around 40000K before turbo and engine were rooted.

Performance was an ugly word in the 80's.

You should atleast compare the Sigma with the pre 32 series,and there was no competition,the Sigma was all over it,especially in reliability.
80's nissans were utter garbage.Anyone remember the bluebird? good grief.
Funny they dont slag that item in Speed.

Whats really funny is that I didnt mention the GSR turbo sigma,that was to replace the
2.0 version.
The prototype,a To4 2.6 with EFI was rumoured at the time to be producing around 340HP(remember they had the real SUPER then).
It was destroyed along with 2 engineers testing in Adelaide.The whole project was scrapped.
Its also interesting to note that a Starion holds the record for the fastest run down the old conrod straight.294K/h.

Personally,I dont buy any mags anymore.How may times can you read about a T78D being bolted to a skyline or a supra? Theres something missing from the performance seen these days and its certainly not speed,I think its called soul.

[Captiva Fan]

Lets go back to 82 shall we?? well atleast those that werent in nappies or a ball sack at the time.
EFI? nope...maybe in Merc's and BM's.

Not to mention Falcons, Cressidas, Volvos (not at that exact point in time, although there had been earlier; mechanical injection was on most models though) ... just off the top of my head.

Personally,I dont buy any mags anymore.How may times can you read about a T78D being bolted to a skyline or a supra? Theres something missing from the performance seen these days and its certainly not speed,I think its called soul.

I suspect it's largely a result of the latest generation of "car enthusiasts" being an even more consumeristic generation than any prior, so they're more likely to buy a mag; so there are more mags catering to them. Plus it's the "now" generation; they want to buy something "now", rather than build it themself & have to wait; plus there's more borrowing, 'cos a lot of people can't afford to buy it "now", too.

[Jim]

Hmm...
fastest tin top lap time at Mt Panorama is still held by a Bluebird (because the track layout has changed since), and the bluebird didn't become unreliable until the series III with the stupid 8 spark plugs, they weren't unreliable per se , just horribly horribly boring. Oh and rusted faster than a cut apple. Sigmas, however, were notorious block crackers, carby blockers and rust magnets. In stock form the bluebird handles better too, and has nicer steering (that's not to say either of them are any good, even by 80's standards).

Aftermarket EFI in the 80's was a $8000 proposition, and choices were limited to MoTec or Autronic, not like these days where you can get something that'll do the job for less than a grand. What really set the market going was not magazines or a culture change, it was the flood of jap import motors offering a steep but popular learning curve.

[floody]

edit: I typed a bit slow so some of this echoes Forg and Secoh's posts..

EFI? nope...maybe in Merc's and BM's.....

....And Volvos* and pommy cars and many Japanese cars (R30 skyline, 280ZX, Supra, Cressida, Crown)- in fact it was becoming widespread, or about to be.
*hmm actually could have been MFI back then....

Intercoolers-yeah right.Sure they were known of,and possibly showing there heads in Japan,but seriously,you could not afford one.

Yeah, okay, vaguely true

Turbo's-it was a true black art,blow through carbs,no cooling NO BB and no water cooled housings.If you could afford a turbo setup,you were Jesus on water and you had around 40000K before turbo and engine were rooted.
Performance was an ugly word in the 80's.

1982? What about the fact that (perhaps not in Australia) there had been turbo, EFI skylines from the factory since late in the 70's, the DR30 was out with the turbo FJ20, Toyota had 3T-GTE powered cars on sale (TA63 Carina?), not to mention the Starion and cordia with efi turbo setups. As well as that, consider that there were MANY Aussie companies developing turbo cars, many dealer specials, Dick Johnson kitted XD's and XE's coming...Euro's with autodelta stuff for alfa's, 2002 turbo BMW was long years before hand..

Also, sure a lot of the technology was basic then, but "a true black art" is over dramatising things somewhat.

You should atleast compare the Sigma with the pre 32 series,and there was no competition,the Sigma was all over it,especially in reliability.
80's nissans were utter garbage.Anyone remember the bluebird? good grief.
Funny they dont slag that item in Speed.

Which pre xxR32 Skylines were so renowned for poor reliability?? S54/C10/C110/C210/xR30/xR31 ? Interested to hear that one. The worst issue I can recall is that the aussie R31 diff is a bit of a weak link, but fixable and Nissan corrected it under warranty (to an extent), and thats really an inconvenience not a problem. Or maybe, I dunno, S54B GT Prince Skylines didn't last as long as the local engines, with their highly strung OHC triple carb sixes??
As for the bluebird...well I'm not much interested in them either, but the amount of them still gasping around in near original conditron suggests to me they were better than that. Gibson motorsport's one was pretty handy at Bathurst - maybe the Starion holds a speed record (something I'm dubious on) but the Bluebird's old-track record stood for a very long time (still stands?).

Whats really funny is that I didnt mention the GSR turbo sigma,that was to replace the
2.0 version.
The prototype,a To4 2.6 with EFI was rumoured at the time to be producing around 340HP(remember they had the real SUPER then).
It was destroyed along with 2 engineers testing in Adelaide.The whole project was scrapped.
Its also interesting to note that a Starion holds the record for the fastest run down the old conrod straight.294K/h.

How is that funny? Wow! Mitsubishi had an aborted prototype with a fair dosage of urban myth horsepower. w00t...


I think a few of your points are a bit fanciful. I'm all for not having the sigma put down just for the sake of it, but come on.... No need to go all crazy glazed-eyed sigma fan.

Is it that you wish Speed featured more sigmas, not that you're incensed with their stupid pseudo-journalism... And you wish you too could be part of the

[Zac]

How is that funny? Wow! Mitsubishi had an aborted prototype with a fair dosage of urban myth horsepower. w00t...

Don't forget the two engineers that were destroyed to bring you this 340hp monster! Lest we forget, Mitsubishi engineers.

[SIKMA]

:rotflol: :rotflol: :rotflol:

Yeah give a Sigma over a 500 rwhp Skyline any day of the week too mate.... :rotflol:

Funniest shit I've ever heard.

:rotflol:

who said anything about a 500HP SKYLINE???i know i didnt, im talking about the 6million pos gts with a gtr kit on it that have big rims and a cat back exhaust and thats it......

same as id take a PAC production line 9/10sec RX3 over a real GTR.....

p.s the amount it would cost you to get a 500rwhp skyline i could have 3 sigmas running 10s

[Che Castro]

AFAIK the VW Type 3 was the first production car to get EFI back in 1968. Bosch D-Jet, pretty primitive by today's standards. The kombis & beetles got it too in the mid 70's

There's only so many 11sec WRX's with lesbians airbrushed on the brake rotors that I can look at before they all look the same.

[hakosuka]

AFAIK the VW Type 3 was the first production car to get EFI back in 1968.

The 300SL Gullwing was the first if not the first. As for "real world" cars, various Merc sedans and Pagodas (Bosch) had it, as did the Triumph TR5, a Maserati (both Lucas)or two, and possiblly the Peugeot 404 Injection (Kugelfischer). Not sure if the Peugeot was before 1968 though.

[bugle]

Isuzu 117 Coupe was released in 68 with EFI..