Speed magazine.

[HareTrigger]

See,thats the problem with this forum.
As soon as someone makes a basic point,the braniacs pop up with there generic points of argument.*yawn.
Firstly,I know that cars in Japan had EFI and turbo's in 82,but I was CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT MAIN STREAM VEHICLES IN THIS COUNTRY (Australia).

The Cressida was a damn expensive luxury car in its day,as were the others mentioned.Nothing to do with the point I was making.

I didnt mention anything about "laptimes" I mentioned the "fastest speed down conrod".
My family owned a bluebird,top of the range.It was a disaster,from its "quadraphonic" speaker system on down.

I really think its funny now,that I have told you of something you knew nothing about and your response is "Urban Myth".
Why? because you never heard of it?So it cant be possible? I can assure you,it existed.Magazines at the time proved it and to those in the know,there was nothing mythical about it.
Whats so hard to believe?
I'm thinking your daddy's should have turned some of you into stains on the sheets like he did your brothers and sisters.

[Captiva Fan]

The Cressida was a damn expensive luxury car in its day,as were the others mentioned.

*flicks through the history books to find expensive Falcons*
Oh, my dad got a Cressida company-car, because they were cheaper than a Fairmont & he considered them better made.

Nothing to do with the point I was making.

Trying to say a Sigma was a brilliant car (& better than the Bluebird!!) was stretching things a wee bit too far, surely?

[Che Castro]

wasnt the 300sl and the pug both mechanical not electronic? anyway its a bit of a moot point.

[Nero]

There's a lot to say that the lucas system was mechanical...after all lucas electronics would not have lasted so it must have reverted to mechanical after a hot day or rain or wind or a bird landing on it hwen it was parked etc

[Stix Zadinia]

Mercedes went from Mechanical to Electric then back to Mechanical in the 70's. Then they got a Decent Electrical injection setup to work

I thought Kingfisher injection was mechanical, from what i've seen of the fuel distributors, and D-Jetronic is a very agricultural form of EFI. if you could call it that.

and yes the 300SL uses mechanical injection

[floody]

See,thats the problem with this forum.
As soon as someone makes a basic point,the braniacs pop up with there generic points of argument.*yawn.
Firstly,I know that cars in Japan had EFI and turbo's in 82,but I was CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT MAIN STREAM VEHICLES IN THIS COUNTRY (Australia).

You weren't actually very clear at all.
And IIRC, Pulsar ET, Exa, Starion (1982), Cordia? EFI and turbocharged yes? Ok so the EXA and Cordia were '83 and the Pulsar '84, not a huge difference. Pretty mainstream and in this country... 760 Turbo Volvo also made it here in 1984, Saab's 900 Turbo in Jan' 1979, not so mainstream but widely available.
As it happens, the Sigma turbo was Jan' 1981 - we're all looking at the wrong year.
Shame they didn't hang off a little and release an efi one with one of the starion/Lancer/Cordia type motor.

The Cressida was a damn expensive luxury car in its day,as were the others mentioned.Nothing to do with the point I was making.

But it wasn't all that expensive by comparison to other cars on the market, Toyota were doing quite well in the affordability of luxury stakes then.

I didnt mention anything about "laptimes" I mentioned the "fastest speed down conrod".
My family owned a bluebird,top of the range.It was a disaster,from its "quadraphonic" speaker system on down.

Perhaps it was fastest in 198? but some other cars (namely Sierras, quite probably Skylines) topped 300 later in the 80's/early 90's, though on the shorter conrod straight.
For the record, I doubt a group A Starion (was there a group C one?) would have topped 300kmh though I grant you its not impossible. Even if it did happen, the Ralliart tweaked starion motor isn't exactly the home brewed carby turbo sigma donk so its not a great point to rely upon.

I really think its funny now,that I have told you of something you knew nothing about and your response is "Urban Myth".
Why? because you never heard of it?So it cant be possible? I can assure you,it existed.Magazines at the time proved it and to those in the know,there was nothing mythical about it.
Whats so hard to believe?

I'm thinking your daddy's should have turned some of you into stains on the sheets like he did your brothers and sisters.

Ok fine, bring out some magazine scans for us. You quoted a horsepower figure which was a rumour 20+ years ago, and deaths of engineers which it is surprising haven't made common folklore (though I grant you its possible).

Criticising people for wandering in and correcting you? Your posts had a definite measure of hyperbole and exaggeration, flying in the face of fact.
You then want to begin with the whole "see this is why I hate forums like this blah blah....." and later move on to tawdry insults like "your daddy's should have blah blah" - this isn't doing you any favours.
It also seems you fail to understand that most people accept the sigma for what it is and that was borne out by the posts - no need to try and convert us to the sigma faith - and that the sort of journalistic smegma speed writes isn't well received here; effectively most people are on your side.

[BigMuz]

There's only so many 11sec WRX's with lesbians airbrushed on the brake rotors that I can look at before they all look the same.

Contender for the quote of the decade...


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Muz

[HareTrigger]

Floody,I said the "old conrod straight",the record for the new conrod straight is actually...oh hang on,why dont you tell me??? anyone?

I'm not stretching anything,the original point to this thread was the relevance of comparing $100000 purpose built performance vehicles to lightly modded 25+ year old cars and I have not been corrected on anything,I spoke of Efi,not Mfi.

I'm not sure I'll be able to find an article relating to the prototype,it was a while ago.

Forg,thats a hell of a company car for 82,what company was that? one owned by Skase?

[Nafe]

Floody,I said the "old conrod straight",the record for the new conrod straight is actually...oh hang on,why dont you tell me??? anyone?

I'm not stretching anything,the original point to this thread was the relevance of comparing $100000 purpose built performance vehicles to lightly modded 25+ year old cars and I have not been corrected on anything,I spoke of Efi,not Mfi.

I'm not sure I'll be able to find an article relating to the prototype,it was a while ago.

Forg,thats a hell of a company car for 82,what company was that? one owned by Skase?

Current record for Conrod Straight is 301kmh from memory. I think it was set by Glenn Seton as well.

Wasn't a Cressida back in '82 about the same price as a top line Commodore (an SL/E back then) - around 17-18k. Do you really think you'd have to be Skase to have that as a Company car??

[Wobbler]

This sigma can nevar loze busyness reminds me of the "can anything beat a tommy makinen evo thread"

[floody]

Floody,I said the "old conrod straight",the record for the new conrod straight is actually...oh hang on,why dont you tell me??? anyone?

The only info on the starion I have found suggests it ran 273kmh, by the way, not 294 - this is as a group A car (not group E production) and in something like 1984 or 1985. Perhaps that was the fastest for old conrod.
Sierras topped 300kmh down the new one - I think that is Seton's 301kmh run - V8 supercars run ~290kmh or so I think (gearing mainly being the issue I would say).

I'm not sure I'll be able to find an article relating to the prototype,it was a while ago.

Oh, thats a surprise....

[JZK25]

Contender for the quote of the decade...


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Muz

Most certainly the best thing to come out of this thread.

[DaGoodGuy]

[QUOTE=floody]You weren't actually very clear at all.
And IIRC, Pulsar ET, Exa, Starion (1982), Cordia? EFI and turbocharged yes? Ok so the EXA and Cordia were '83 and the Pulsar '84, not a huge difference. QUOTE]


Floody, the article gives it to the exa as well.

[HareTrigger]

Yep,302 K/h logged on Autronic.
Dont recall the Sierras managing much past 280.
273 was probably the race average speeds,testing and practice often saw higher speeds,the Sierra was said to run 60PSI during qualifying.

[Captiva Fan]

Forg,thats a hell of a company car for 82,what company was that? one owned by Skase?

Looking at Red Book, Cressida = $16040, VH SLE Commodore 3.3 = $17690, XD Ghia 4.1 = $14747 (probably on run-out, XE ended '82 at $17395 ... hey that's odd, didn't realise you could buy a 4spd manual 4.1 XE Ghia - that's gotta be rare!). So maybe if you were in a company owned by Skase & hence which was having all it's money sucked out of it ...
Remember that more people had company cars before the advent of FBT too.

Ahh, 302km/h logged on somebody's Autronic ... *nods sagely*

Just because you can't find something about a prototype doesn't mean it didn't exist. Ain't easy finding stuff about, say, the dealer-supported turbo Sunbirds or Cortinas either; and there would've been more of them around (OK, not many more ).