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    #61
    Hi All,

    This weekend, we installed the Apten aux cooling kit for the blown 4.7. And while the kit looks like it will perform as advertised (improve cooling on the #7 & #8 cylinders) there are a couple of items that could stand a bit of improvement.

    When installed, the kit adds another path for the hot water trapped at the back of the driver’s side cylinder head. The kit is comprised of a length of hose, 4 hose clamps, a PVC barbed "T" fitting, a set of instructions and the fitting (the same Ford item located at the back of the passenger side cylinder head) which connects the drivers side head to the passenger side head (see the photo).



    Before I get into the specific areas of improvement, I just though I would state the following. I was told by Apten that this kit could be installed while the engine was in the car, but the trans would have to be removed. I guess it could be done, but I would not want to fight with the installation of this kit while the engine was in the car. If you doubt me on this one, just look at your engine and imagine attempting to remove the freeze plug at the back of the driver’s side head while the engine is in the car. It can be done, but I imagine it would be quite an ordeal. Also, the aluminum heads are quite soft and nicking the inner race while removing the plug is a real possibility.

    As far as the actual kit, the first area of improvement would be the assembly instructions. They are very "sparse" giving you the minimum amount of info necessary to complete the job. For example, the molded fitting you have to cut for the insertion of the barbed “T” has a small flow restrictor crimped inside. There is no mention of this item in the instructions and we just disposed of it when we made our cuts. This is just one minor item, but the instructions leave a lot of room for interpretation in many areas. I know that most who will attempt the installation of this kit will have the skills to install it, even if no instructions were included. After all, who reads the instructions anyway?

    The second area of improvement would be replacing the PVC barbed "T" fitting with one more suitable for the job. THIS IS BY FAR MY GREATEST CONCERN WITH THE KIT. Schedule 80 PVC is only recommended for service up to 140 degrees F and the engine will reach temps of at least 180 or more. This does not mean that the fitting will fail at 140 degrees, but its life expectancy will be greatly reduced. The material will soften over time and suffer from stress fractures, etc... Also, a single barb instead of the multiple barb fitting supplied will be less prone to leaking in this type of application. We replaced the PVC fitting (about $1.00) with a 316 SS fitting. There were other options. CPVC is good up to 180 (about $2.00). PVDF is good above 200 (about $12.00). Aluminum is available (about $18.00). But we went the indestructible route with the 316SS at $27.00. The 316SS is a bit pricy, but we thought it was money well spent. Especially when considering what you would have to go through if you ever needed to replace this item.

    The third area of improvement is in the "Ford" fitting supplied with the kit. It is designed for the passenger side of the car. While it is true that you could install the item just as described in the kit, we made two minor modifications that just seemed to make sense to us. We drilled a hole in the fitting to allow the re-installation of a bracket and also to positively seat the fitting and keep it from possibly working its way free in the future. We then ground off some of the unnecessary area of the tab just because it looked like a more professional installation.

    Also, you are going to have to make a modification to your EGR connection. The SS line runs right over the new fitting and is also extremely close to the rubber hose connected at the top. The instructions state to "bend" this line for clearance. We have not "bent" ours yet, because there is a lot of debate as to the best way to do this. I will be posting photos when we complete this section of the installation.

    If you make these (or similar) modifications, I am sure you will be happy with the installation. While I think that a company like Apten would supply a more thoroughly engineered product. The peace of mind I now have knowing that I have improved one of my engines problem areas is priceless.

    Catch you all later.

    SN65
    Come see this WIP at
    Julian's Collision Center
    http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
    Bob
    http://sn65.com/

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      #62
      Where the T fitting screws in, is it alloy? If so 316SS will introduce galvanic corrosion, so make sure you use something to insulate it such as thread tape or other sturdy goo. (I'm sure you know all this already, you're obviously way smarter than me considering what you have achieved already!)

      Our Ford Falcons used the same PVC hose fittings, and aftermarket industries such as Repco supply a brass replica that never break or corrode. Those stupid plastic things are the devil, after 10-20 years under the bonnet they fall apart with an angry glance.
      Turns out, far too much has been written about great men and not nearly enough about morons


      Originally posted by seedyrom
      my neighbours called the cops...... not because of the sound of me working in the garage was too loud, but because i taped a cardboard box to my back, covered my self in vaseline and pretended i was a snail on their lawn

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        #63
        Originally posted by Secoh
        Where the T fitting screws in, is it alloy? If so 316SS will introduce galvanic corrosion, so make sure you use something to insulate it such as thread tape or other sturdy goo. (I'm sure you know all this already, you're obviously way smarter than me considering what you have achieved already!)

        Our Ford Falcons used the same PVC hose fittings, and aftermarket industries such as Repco supply a brass replica that never break or corrode. Those stupid plastic things are the devil, after 10-20 years under the bonnet they fall apart with an angry glance.
        Hi S,

        The "T" fitting does not screw in. It is a hose barb fitting. No worries about any galvanic reactions. If it were a threaded connection, no amount of Teflon tape would prevent the inevitable catastrophe.

        Catch you later.

        SN65
        Come see this WIP at
        Julian's Collision Center
        http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
        Bob
        http://sn65.com/

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          #64
          Hi All,

          Well, until I get the car back from the media blaster, I figure I will post some info on areas I have not covered in the past.

          I am sure I told you that we had to eliminate the drip rails. I am also sure that I did not fill you in on what we had planned.

          I have seen cars with the drip rails removed and, to be totally honest, I really did not like the flat, smoothed, non-descript approach that most people take. What we are doing is a bit different. When the drip rails are removed, there is a formed bead in the surrounding roof and pillar areas. Instead of eliminating this bead, we have actually added material to it in an attempt to simulate the bead that is found around the "C" pillar vents. The bead is just under 1/2" wide and just over 1/8" high. Hopefully, when complete, these details will mirror each other, giving the appearance of an original factory detail.





          Catch you all later.

          SN65
          Come see this WIP at
          Julian's Collision Center
          http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
          Bob
          http://sn65.com/

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            #65
            Hi All,

            Just 7 more days till the end of the design contest. Hope you have your ideas ready to go. Some really great ideas have been rolling in.

            Also, the date for the get together / open house is fast approaching. Look forward to seeing you there Sat April 2nd.

            Catch you all later.

            SN65
            Come see this WIP at
            Julian's Collision Center
            http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
            Bob
            http://sn65.com/

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              #66
              would love to be able to get the time off work to come and see this in the flesh
              you cant spell advertisements without semen between the tits

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                #67
                The detail you are reporting in is awesome. My last project was a 1972 Chrysler Charger (aussie model), that took about 2 years and $35K to complete. Ofcourse it turned from road car to money pit to drag car which required a money pit. Had to sell it before I sunk every last dollar into it and found myself living in a cardboard box!

                You have taken a project car to the next level. I always wanted to drop a classic body on a late model chassis. I envy your obvious skill and ingenuity. Keep the updates coming, im fascinated.

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                  #68
                  Hi All,

                  Here is a photo I forgot I took. This was taken as we were getting ready to load the car on the trailer to send off to media blasting.



                  That is my brother Wayne standing next to the car. The car dosen't look to low, does it? Maybe we went a bit to far. :-)

                  Catch you all later.

                  SN65
                  Come see this WIP at
                  Julian's Collision Center
                  http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
                  Bob
                  http://sn65.com/

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                    #69
                    Hi All,

                    Just talked to the media blaster and we can pick the car up Monday.

                    Woo Hoo!!!

                    We will blow the media out, and mount the beast on the rotisserie. We should have the car in primer in time for the Saturday open house / get-2-gether. If we are lucky, we may have the chassis and the interior painted ready for assembly to begin.

                    I am excited about the open house / get-2-gether. We are looking forward to finally meeting a lot of the people we have made friends with over the past 6 months.

                    Hope to see you there.

                    SN65
                    Come see this WIP at
                    Julian's Collision Center
                    http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
                    Bob
                    http://sn65.com/

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                      #70
                      Love to be there! you'll have to have a beer for all of us. We'd go but it's a long soggy drive from here.
                      Turns out, far too much has been written about great men and not nearly enough about morons


                      Originally posted by seedyrom
                      my neighbours called the cops...... not because of the sound of me working in the garage was too loud, but because i taped a cardboard box to my back, covered my self in vaseline and pretended i was a snail on their lawn

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                        #71
                        Hi All,

                        Just got back fron the media blaster. I could go on and on, but as they say, a picture's worth a thousand words....





                        Catch you all later.

                        SN65
                        Come see this WIP at
                        Julian's Collision Center
                        http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/
                        Bob
                        http://sn65.com/

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                          #72
                          Hi All,

                          The graphic design contest ends tomorrow, so if you have any ideas, get them to me ASAP.

                          Thanks

                          SN65
                          Come see this WIP at
                          Julian's Collision Center
                          http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/

                          PS: See you at the open house this Saturday. Open at 8... Close??? Food and drink will be supplied. We will have some other cars on display. There may even be a “concourse gold” 69 GT350.
                          Bob
                          http://sn65.com/

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Secoh
                            Love to be there! you'll have to have a beer for all of us. We'd go but it's a long soggy drive from here.
                            Hi S,

                            Don't be sad. We will broadcast the final "unveiling" over the net and communicate via windows messenger. So, all you have to worry about is the time difference. Just have a lot of coffee on hand.

                            Catch you later.

                            SN65
                            Come see this WIP at
                            Julian's Collision Center
                            http://www.julianscollisioncenter.com/

                            PS: See you at the open house this Saturday. Open at 8... Close??? Food and drink will be supplied. We will have some other cars on display. There may even be a “concourse gold” 69 GT350.
                            Bob
                            http://sn65.com/

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                              #74
                              you are an absolute champ. Great to see someone willing to share so much of their build.

                              when are the desing comp results out? would be great to see some of the more "interesting" entries too :D

                              Cheers,

                              C+

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                                #75
                                re the axle hop, try a post on eng-tips in the suspension section. There are some OEM ford and GM engineers there...may get an answer eng-tips.com
                                I don't care a damn for your loyalty when you think I am right; when I really want it most is when you think I am wrong.
                                Sir John Monash

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