The main thing they are designed for is looking & inconveniencing all other road users like a 4WD (ie. like an oversized 'fridge on wheels), while not being quite as nasty to drive. Whether or not it'll work offroad is just as relevant to 99.99% of Territory drivers as it is to 99.99% of Landcruiser, Patrol, Range Rover, Landrover Discovery, etc etc etc drivers.
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Yes sadly Forg this is so true...I think that to buy a 4WD you need to prove it's intended use, similarly to how you have to lodge a type of stat dec here in Qld for a limited use registration. If you don't intend to use it a s a 4WD, and join a club for that purpose bad luck bozo you can't get one. I am all for limited use rego for them; to and from a 4WD event/holiday..ONLY. If people were restricted somehow in their use, the rest of us would be happier road users, wouldn't we?Originally posted by ForgThe main thing they are designed for is looking & inconveniencing all other road users like a 4WD (ie. like an oversized 'fridge on wheels), while not being quite as nasty to drive. Whether or not it'll work offroad is just as relevant to 99.99% of Territory drivers as it is to 99.99% of Landcruiser, Patrol, Range Rover, Landrover Discovery, etc etc etc drivers.
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sand driving is fucking easy manOriginally posted by SturmovikOwners on Fordforums have successfully driven it on sand, it probably comes down to driver skill more than anything.
Im sure even some people could get a hummer stuck in sand
ive driven rav4 and xtrail on the beach... hell at NYE this year even george and glenno were eating up dry sand tracks in there libertys. sand driving is all about momentum, and ground clearence
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whilst its always nice to poke some fun, I have said in the past that for a tall bloke like me with a chronic back problem the territory is heaven on a stick...apart from the weight and the fuel economy. I would not buy a 4wd...I will never need to 'go out bush' and I do not need a car to poseI don't care a damn for your loyalty when you think I am right; when I really want it most is when you think I am wrong.
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4WD is a $4k option, innit?
Maybe Ford should offer a version with an empty front diff 'shell' mounted in place so it looks like the purchaser has bought the tough macho offroad version?
Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.
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Originally posted by ForgI doubt Ford Oz are capable of the subtle approach.

I'd lay money that this is what they're doing. The frontal intrake area on the territory is very limited so a top mount makes good sense as well as from a durability standpoint. Ford has no qualms with "borrowing" entire cars from Mazda, I'm sure a TMIC design would be no problem. Lastly Territory buyers don't want a big wanky shiny FMIC out front, they prefer subtlety.
I also reckon the new bonnet improves the look enormously even if it is a photoshop ATM.
Would love to have a giggle at the fuel consumption figures though
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i dunno dude, im calling front mount... i would say it would be a cost thing, its cheaper for them if they can keep the engine and piping as close to xr6 as they canOriginally posted by fdrx7
I'd lay money that this is what they're doing. The frontal intrake area on the territory is very limited so a top mount makes good sense as well as from a durability standpoint. Ford has no qualms with "borrowing" entire cars from Mazda, I'm sure a TMIC design would be no problem. Lastly Territory buyers don't want a big wanky shiny FMIC out front, they prefer subtlety.
I also reckon the new bonnet improves the look enormously even if it is a photoshop ATM.
Would love to have a giggle at the fuel consumption figures though
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if you have a large family you should get two small cars and race tape them together, and everyone knows boats go on the water not the road you dumbass .... i think that sucessfully defeats your arguementOriginally posted by postmangod forbid you have a boat or a large family (oh noes, lets get into the 'van debate')
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It's kind of become "standard" to put a scoop on a truck if it's a turbodiesel, anyway; if you're buying the expensive version, you want people to know you've bought the expensive version.Originally posted by fdrx7The frontal intrake area on the territory is very limited so a top mount makes good sense as well as from a durability standpoint.
I love the "large family or boat" argument pro-4WD, so many 4WD operators have boats &/or large families!!!Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.
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I suspect the H2 would 'cos it's just a Suburban, but the "real deal" was actually designed for offroad use in the first place; eg. they've got huuuuuge tyres which probably keeps them 'bouyant' on the sand. Mind you, I do wonder if the amount of wheel-travel you'd need to ensure traction at all times means that a proper offroad-capable Hummer would be really soft-and-soggy on-road?Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.
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:rotflol: Rav4!Originally posted by rolin7sand driving is fucking easy man
ive driven rav4 and xtrail on the beach... hell at NYE this year even george and glenno were eating up dry sand tracks in there libertys. sand driving is all about momentum, and ground clearence
I can see it now... Rev up, fly down the track kicking up sand everywhere, wheels spinning like crazy. Yep, thats perfect sand driving there.
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irregardless of numbers.. its still a valid argument. why should people who actually require them be affected?Originally posted by ForgI love the "large family or boat" argument pro-4WD, so many 4WD operators have boats &/or large families!!!
I motion we ban all trucks over 3tonne carrying capacity too, I mean look how high they sit in the cabs and how often they are in accidents!
also, remove all individuality from vehicle ownership, we should all own white VT execs.
I'm hardly a fan of soccer mums driving around Territories/Cayannes/Nivas however "cause I can" is a fair enough excuse. Good on them.Thank You,
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