Watched a P plater crash yesterday

[nui]

I dunno. I am much happier driving our Outback on slippery roads than my R32. The Liberty cannot be provoked into anything but plough understeer on a dry road. The Skyline is able to kick the back out with some savagery on a dry road. But in the wet, the Outback will carry more speed on any given slippery bend than I feel comfortable with in the R32. The transition to sliding the front wheels out mid corner is so instant and so likely to hit the gutter in the R32 that I simply won't drive it fast unless I feel like really really driving fast, so that I am all wound up and ready to throw and catch it. The Subie just starts warning you that you are going too fast right at the entry to a bend and backing off doesn't make it flick the back end out. It just settles down and goes around the bend.

cheers

Very true.

I spun my rex twice when i owned it

Once I did it when i was going a bit fast into a corner as you come off Pennant Hills road onto Beecroft road, there is a nice tight bend there, i was heading into that at around 80k's and for some reasons took my foot off the accelerator and cruised into the corner, the front started to slide first, then the back somehow kicked out and i ended up very close to the small medium strip and finally on the other side of the road. Roads were dry at the time.

Second time i was going up a bend on Avenue road in Mosman and for some reason there is always a wet patch about 5 meters long that covers a section of road, anyway, i was driving up and went through that patch, then i hit a dry section for about 10 meters then the twisting corner, obviously the tyres weren't dry and back flicked out and I fishtailed up the corner, not a nice feeling when there is a medium strip, cars, gutter and power poles surrounding you. Although as soon as i back off the accelerator, it gripped again and I was flung into the side street.

[smee]

how do you lose the back end in a fwd car?

Bit of hand brake and then plant the welly.....

[Nitephyre]

ahh, rightio then

[itsnotagsr]

how do you lose the back end in a fwd car?

Lift off oversteer in a Pug

[meggala]

I drove my truck cabchassis yesterday in the wet.


EEK with the crossply bar treads on the back it bagged them up doing 60kph in 5th very interesting with 3 tonne and 190 hp.
meggala

[Saru]

Lift off oversteer in a Pug

True, though in my Pug it's easier to provoke in the dry. The ABS is absolute gold in the wet, though, and I'm yet to be able to get it to oversteer with consistent hard braking in a corner.

Short stab = oversteer
Lift off = oversteer
Turn and brake hard = control

[fatgts]

lol

Lost control= driving to fast for the conditions= excessive speed was the fault then

Shit driver improving the crash stats (in regards to speed)

[Mr 20Valve]

saw a bloke this morning on the way down the M2 fly past me (i was doing 100) on his red Ps in a Corolla... in the bus lane. he mustv'e been doing an easy 140.

just outside of the tunnel he'd been pulled over & booked by two coppers in a white unmarked Tarago!

imagine that!
50kms or so over the limit, in a bus lane on the day the new fines come into effect & getting pinged by a Tarago... :rotflol:

[Cal]

True, though in my Pug it's easier to provoke in the dry. The ABS is absolute gold in the wet, though, and I'm yet to be able to get it to oversteer with consistent hard braking in a corner.

Short stab = oversteer
Lift off = oversteer
Turn and brake hard = control

Disconnect the ABS. I hate the ABS on mine and have had the plug pulled for years.

Cal.

[smellytofu]

Once I did it when i was going a bit fast into a corner as you come off Pennant Hills road onto Beecroft road, there is a nice tight bend there, i was heading into that at around 80k's and for some reasons took my foot off the accelerator and cruised into the corner, the front started to slide first, then the back somehow kicked out and i ended up very close to the small medium strip and finally on the other side of the road. Roads were dry at the time.

Gosh, you do realise as you come in, the road drops off on the inside (your understeer) and then cross the middle of Pennant Hills Rd and the camber changes... gotta be pretty game to go at that 10/10ths

[Saru]

Disconnect the ABS. I hate the ABS on mine and have had the plug pulled for years.

Is the ABS the same S1 and S2? It's certainly set up to be quite interventionist in my S2 but takes a massive stop to activate on smooth dry roads.

If it was just me driving it I might consider it but as the Mrs drives it a lot, it stays.

[JabberWocky]

To be fair, the majority of new p platers wouldn't know what rain really is whilst driving. The week gone created some pretty big torrents all over sydney roads. And unless you do go to a skid pan, the likelyhood of being in such a situation is pretty slim for drought ridden city slickers..
But, yes, it is scary who we have to share the roads with

[pepsi]

I can imagine people in europe and canada and other places where it snows thinking at this thread

I remember awhile back when there was that sudden big hail storm in sydney, i was out for a drive when it hit, i saw about 3 or 4 people slam straight into other cars while trying to find shelter, although to be fair the visibility was almost 0 and people were rushing to stop their cars getting dented and stuff

[kwottro]

[hgmonaro]

I dunno. I am much happier driving our Outback on slippery roads than my R32. The Liberty cannot be provoked into anything but plough understeer on a dry road..... The Subie just starts warning you that you are going too fast right at the entry to a bend and backing off doesn't make it flick the back end out. It just settles down and goes around the bend.

cheers

gotta agree 'boy, although she drift's sideways thru one roundabout near home if I go fast enough and straightline the entry (outside lane to inside lane). However, I don't advocate such behaviour.

In the wet I have more confidence in the tyres on my Clubsport (Firestone SZ50 which are nothing flash considering what's available) than the Outback. The Outback can accelerate OUT of corners great but going into and around corners the tyres are the major factor, not how many wheels are being driven.