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[browney]

*shrugs* I would have thought that the 2.5 would achieve the same result as running a twin scroll turbo (ie reducing lag). Hence why increase your engineering cost to include it.

The spec C 2L ran a twin scroll didn't it? And that was regarded as one of the best of the breed.

But they were putting the twin scroll on the Jap. one, wouldn't it be easier to do it here rather than engineering the 2.5 into both the wrx and sti?

[Captiva Fan]

The JDM pollution targets were upgraded not that long ago, and ours are being upgraded at the end of this year ... the current 2.0 Liberty motor won't pass the new specs. I wonder if the JDM pollution specs aren't as tough as ours?

[itsnotagsr]

But you cant buy a turbo lancer for 15K less than the EVO now can you? Subaru have 3 models of the one car, they can appeal to a far wider audience.

Correct - theres just no market for export markets (with the possible exception of the US). In Japan people would rather get an Evo RS than buy a WRX-spec Evo. Given that thats the largest market, they don't bother.

The earlier comment was that the people who wanted an Evo couldn't afford them. My point was that given the STi and Evo are targeted towards the same market, wouldn't that mean that no STis were sold either?

WRX, STi - whats the third? NA RS?

[rexxxy]

Yep, refering to the Impreza, so the NA, whatever variant, the WRX and the STi.

[AlexinPerth]

Isn't the 1.8L lancer GSR still produced for the JDM?

I've always considered that the equivalent of the WRX..

Alex.

[itsnotagsr]

Isn't the 1.8L lancer GSR still produced for the JDM?

I've always considered that the equivalent of the WRX..

Alex.

Nope. There was a CE 1.8T though.

[Scotty]

Just a bit of info about subbie gearboxes for those that are interested. The breakage problem has been fixed the introduction of the 6 speed, the 5 speeds still break due to the flex, if you want a strong 5 speed box, put the gears into a 6 speed housing

Also "EVO" sales have never been great, remember the GSR, it was around about the same time and before the WRX took off, why weren't the sales up then? Personally I think the WRX is still living off a rep that is 10 years old.

Just for the record I drive a 00wrx, last of the old shape, 2.5L, GT35R , 1100cc injectors blah blah. The sleeves of the 2.5 aren't very thick so I think this will be the next weak link for the new model STI, before it was the gearbox, now if you screw to much boost or to many mods into the new model it's going to cost you more than a gearbox.

If I had my time over I'd be going the EVO 6/ 6.5/ or current model for sure. Regardless of price or whatever but to me the EVO has always been on the next shelf up from the STI

[browney]

Does the 2.5 weigh much more than the 2.0?

[Scotty]

Not to much no

I've heard of people stroking the 2.5 out to 2.8L etc but it;s not worth the effort as the liners are already thin. Better of going for a H6, then weight becomes an issue

[MR2Vaeth]

Just my personal observation, but if I were Subaru, I'd worry about the handling of the WRX/STi rather than the power. You can have as much power as you want, but if you are going to understeer into a corner, the power won't help. Mitsu's AYC et al. is scary . I haven't seen anything from Subaru that begins to approach this.

Further, whilst I admit that I do not know much about the WRX/STi, I do not see any particular appeal in the WRX/STi. To me, it doesn't have any unique and outstanding selling point. On the track, I am not aware of any "unique advantage" that the WRX/STi has that gives it the edge in certain areas (cornering, traction, speed, etc). If you had to "brag" about one feature of the WRX/STi that few other cars had, what would it be? The EVO has it's AYC and electronics to brag about, what does the WRX have apart from a boxer engine? Don't take this as me bagging the WRX/STi, I seriously would like to know if the WRX/STi does actually have some kind of unique advantage....even if it's advantage is just being above average in all areas?

[rexxxy]

STi's from 05 onwards have YAW control. And more exciting still is the DCCD control which allows the driver to alter the torque split between front and rear on the fly.

Surely thats more exciting than full auto mode (which the STi also has).

They are both awesome cars.

[Scotty]

If you had to "brag" about one feature of the WRX/STi that few other cars had, what would it be? The EVO has it's AYC and electronics to brag about, what does the WRX have apart from a boxer engine? Don't take this as me bagging the WRX/STi, I seriously would like to know if the WRX/STi does actually have some kind of unique advantage....even if it's advantage is just being above average in all areas?

Really this could be said just about any car, as I said before I think it still living of a 10 year rep

[Cplus]

You'd say the same thing about STis given that they're basically the same price....

I reckon EVO's have much higher boy racer appeal. and they don't have a cheaper equivalent - like the STI does.

alot of people in STI's have moved on from stocko rex's - brand loyalty in a way, just a transition as the wallet grows.

If Mitsi sold the GSR for longer, aka WRX, they'd be shifting more EVO's I would say.

am I making any sense?

C+

[rexxxy]

Really this could be said just about any car, as I said before I think it still living of a 10 year rep

What is that supposed to mean anyway? Its the 2nd time in this thread you have said it, and I dont understand..

10 years ago they were good and now they are bad?

They were good for 10 years and now they are bad?

10 years ago a good report was written about them in the paper?

I bought my WRX in 2002, new. Before test driving the 2002 WRX, I had NEVER driven one before. I compared it to the S15 (available new at the time) and the Honda Integra type-R. I didnt base my decision on the 1995 model WRX. Every day, I get in my car and enjoy driving it, and I dont think 'wow that 1995 model was so good!'.

[rexxxy]

I reckon EVO's have much higher boy racer appeal. and they don't have a cheaper equivalent - like the STI does.

alot of people in STI's have moved on from stocko rex's - brand loyalty in a way, just a transition as the wallet grows.

If Mitsi sold the GSR for longer, aka WRX, they'd be shifting more EVO's I would say.

am I making any sense?

C+

I cant help but feel that any negative feeling towards the WRX/STi vented here is more to do with the popularity of the model, the availability of the model in Australia.

The EVO is a recent addition / limited addition to Australia and was priced accordingly. This made it 'desirable'.

The WRX / STi have been available for years, never limited always at a reasonable price. So it lost some of that appeal created by something that most cant have.

We are comparing two very similar vehicles here, not an EVO and a Hyundai Excel.