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[Captiva Fan]

I reckon EVO's have much higher boy racer appeal. and they don't have a cheaper equivalent - like the STI does.

Unless you look at all the bright yellow bespoilered Lancer VRX's around!
Plus Mitsubishi is the 'cheap & nasty' of the Japanese brands, which doesn't help the EVO's image in my eyes. I actually suspect this may be a reason MrBishi mightn't sell as many EVO's, rightly or wrongly people just look at the badge on the back & find it easier to swallow spending $55k on a Subaru c/f $55k on a Mitsubishi.

[browney]

Absolutley, and both cars are probably better than the skill of the average person who buys them. It shouldn't be forgotten that both cars are awesome (even the WRX is plenty let alone the STI). It is still a fun/worthwhile excersise to compare the cars and the engineering behind them.

An interesting question, why is it that when comparing the 600cc or 1000cc race rep bikes everyone allways says that the bikes are soo much better than you are and that you'll never use anywhere near there potential (especially on the road) so just buy the one you like, but people tend not to say this as much about fast road cars.

[Woody]

The WRX / STi have been available for years, never limited always at a reasonable price. So it lost some of that appeal created by something that most cant have.

Wasn't the first 2 door STi sold here limited to 400 models.
Then I believe the first 4 door STi model was also limited to 400 models.

[Woody]

Unless you look at all the bright yellow bespoilered Lancer VRX's around!
Plus Mitsubishi is the 'cheap & nasty' of the Japanese brands, which doesn't help the EVO's image in my eyes. I actually suspect this may be a reason MrBishi mightn't sell as many EVO's, rightly or wrongly people just look at the badge on the back & find it easier to swallow spending $55k on a Subaru c/f $55k on a Mitsubishi.

And Subarus aren't?

Subarus sell for less then Mitsubishi's in japan where to the Evo can outsell the STI 2 to 1 no problem.

[scoopy]

I reckon EVO's have much higher boy racer appeal. and they don't have a cheaper equivalent - like the STI does.

alot of people in STI's have moved on from stocko rex's - brand loyalty in a way, just a transition as the wallet grows.

If Mitsi sold the GSR for longer, aka WRX, they'd be shifting more EVO's I would say.

am I making any sense?

C+

i agree. evo does have higher boy racer appeal. i think it may have something to do with evo's being (until mitsi left gp A) homologation specials, i.e. directly related to WRC winning cars, produced in very limited numbers, mostly unavailable outside japan, etc. i dont think it's fair to compare gsr/evo with wrx/sti in terms of past sales figures becuz i dont think the gsr/evo was meant to be as much of a bread and butter car to mitsi as the wrx/sti was to subaru.

[Captiva Fan]

And Subarus aren't?
Subarus sell for less then Mitsubishi's in japan where to the Evo can outsell the STI 2 to 1 no problem.

Note that I said "rightly or wrongly", but I still stand by my claim that Mitsubishi is percieved as being the el-cheapo of the Japanese manufacturers (excluding the dinky-car Daihatsu & Suzuki). Magnas have been probably more upmarket in the touchy-feely stuff since 1996, but a lot of people still think of 6 month old TN Magnas limping around blowing smoke & stuck in 2nd gear.

[Scotty]

What is that supposed to mean anyway? Its the 2nd time in this thread you have said it, and I dont understand..

10 years ago they were good and now they are bad?

They were good for 10 years and now they are bad?

10 years ago a good report was written about them in the paper?

I bought my WRX in 2002, new. Before test driving the 2002 WRX, I had NEVER driven one before. I compared it to the S15 (available new at the time) and the Honda Integra type-R. I didnt base my decision on the 1995 model WRX. Every day, I get in my car and enjoy driving it, and I dont think 'wow that 1995 model was so good!'.

Perhaps your not reading my posts right. I see you drive a bugeye, good for you. I have a 00wrx, which you probably read, I also have a 99 2 door STI which I'm selling (check the for sale thread). I have and drive wrxs, and what I'm saying is 10 years ago is when the wrx took off, everyone (just about) wanted one, they turned heads, people would brag if they could beat a WRX. Does any of this happen now?? The wrx is no longer the bench mark, they are just another car on the market. What made you buy one? and why did you compare it to an S15 and Tyre R?? How did you hear about the wrx for the first time??

If this still isn't clear I'll apply the info like this :knock:

[DaiOni]

a couple of quick comments:

woody: sti vs evo is very competitively priced, and they certainly don't outsell 2-1

mr2vaeth: despite lacking the gizmos of the evo, the sti is very, very competitive around the track (ahead of the evo, in many cases). So, whether it has a unique salespoint or not, they're doing something right. That said, more than one critic has pointed the finger at the 'primitive' sti driveline (in comparison).

forg: when saying 'mitsu is the cheap jap brand' forg is of course making a statement relevant to the australian market/perception. In japan, 'fuji heavy industries' (subaru) is the smaller fish. (Just wanted to clarify that)

[rexxxy]

Perhaps your not reading my posts right. I see you drive a bugeye, good for you. I have a 00wrx, which you probably read, I also have a 99 2 door STI which I'm selling (check the for sale thread). I have and drive wrxs, and what I'm saying is 10 years ago is when the wrx took off, everyone (just about) wanted one, they turned heads, people would brag if they could beat a WRX. Does any of this happen now?? The wrx is no longer the bench mark, they are just another car on the market. What made you buy one? and why did you compare it to an S15 and Tyre R?? How did you hear about the wrx for the first time??

If this still isn't clear I'll apply the info like this :knock:

Why compare to S15 and Type-R? Price bracket. 40-50K sports car.

Trade in was a HSV which was a lemon, so Holden / HSV were not in the running.

Ofcourse WRX was the benchmark, they were a bit of a revolution in this country.

WRX may be another car on the market, but lets compare them to their stable mates, that is their direct competitors in the AWD, Turbo and 40-45K price range.

[Scotty]

So why didn't you look at an EVO5, R32 GTR or 99/00wrx/STI??

Or did you only want a new car?? Personally I think since you'd never driven a wrx before you should have at least compared it to the last model/shape to see if subaru have made improvements anywhere.

[rexxxy]

So why didn't you look at an EVO5, R32 GTR or 99/00wrx/STI??

Or did you only want a new car?? Personally I think since you'd never driven a wrx before you should have at least compared it to the last model/shape to see if subaru have made improvements anywhere.

Because I wanted to buy a new car. I didnt want to buy someone elses problems as I had done with my Clubsport. The Clubsport I bought with 12 month factory warranty remaining, everything was fine until the warranty ended. Then the diff started playing up, the power steering pump and rack needed replacment and it went through a couple of altenators. All in the space of 6 months. The payments on the Clubsport were a few dollars per month higher than the payments on a brand new car in my price range. So I traded the pile of shit in.

I wanted 3 year unlimited Km warranty, I didnt want a car which I didnt really know the history of, so new was the only option.

Had never driven one, before driving the MY02. So like I said, I was never comparing the two. Since buying the MY02, I have driven a 98,99 and an 00. And I have been impressed with the improvments in finish in the MY01+.

Anyway, like I said, there were 3 cars which fitted into my criteria of 40-45K sports car. I drove them all and settled on the WRX. In the end the AWD was the major reason for buying the WRX.

Anyway you have your opinion on the WRX and I have mine, we both drive them so I think we know what we are talking about, just different opinions.

[mirage]

I dont think many people have to drive previous generations of the same car to decide whether they want to own the current model or not.

I certainly see at least 2 to 3 times as many evo's in Japan, but thinking about it it may have something to do with me living next to the Mitsubishi test track.

[DaiOni]

I certainly see at least 2 to 3 times as many evo's in Japan, but thinking about it it may have something to do with me living next to the Mitsubishi test track.

Opposite experience for me (sti vs evo) - in rural, and now in urban japan.

However, sti-faking isn't a sport unique to australia...

[mirage]

OK, I am discounting where I live then as I remember that if you work at Mitsubishi you have to drive a Mitsubishi to be allowed to park in the company carpark, so that would skew what I see on the roads here.

Thinking elsewhere I have been though, I can definitely recall more evo's getting around though...all pale in comparison to GTR's, but then again, all of them are pale in comparison to the amount of Suzuki Wagon R's I see, so maybe we should buy them instead :p

[itsnotagsr]

So how is ricing up a GLI Lancer different to ricing up a WRX with Altezzas or even just putting on an STi wing, fog light covers and pink badges? In my book, no different. People want to individualise their cars, but somehow the WRXs with airbrushing get forgotten and the lancers get bashed.... *shrugs*