Re the Sophie crash

[tremolo]

P plates have nothing to do with age.

Doesn't matter how good a 21 year thinks he can drive, he doesn't have the experience...end of story.

On that note, would it be reasonable to say that regardless of how well an 81 year old thinks he can drive, he doesn't have the reactions/eyesight/awareness/etc?

[summoner]

Young drivers aren't discriminated against. Inexperienced drivers are required to display a P-plate, no matter what age they are. The simple fact that most people gain their license at the age of 17 is irrelevant. You're getting yourself confused.

err.. no i am not getting myself confused. You said we were discriminating against old people with our comments. I said no, we are well within our rights to comment as it is obviousely ok to discriminate against young people, be it insurance, police attitude, today tonight bs.

I never mention P plates specifically, let alone the age people acquire their age. But it is a known fact as HUMANS get older our basic motor functions/reactions decline.

[TheRealGarvs]

This isnt country kitchen buffet

that is all i could think of when I got half way through this thread :worship:
'get off the road
get off the road!!!

to say that someone older then 70 may not be a serious threat cause of their age is just plain silly...

The issue will have to rear it's ugly head one day, lets just hope we dont have to starve them all by locking up the country chicken buffet

[Asteroid]

I'm sure plenty could argue that it's far worse to lack eyesight/awareness/reactions than it is to be inexperienced.

All the experience in the world won't save the toddler on the road if you didn't notice the danger and couldn't hit the brake in time.

Asteroid

[summoner]

I'm sure plenty could argue that it's far worse to lack eyesight/awareness/reactions than it is to be inexperienced.

All the experience in the world won't save the toddler on the road if you didn't notice the danger and couldn't hit the brake in time.

Asteroid

then again they'd be driving at such a slow speed the toddler probably wouldnt come to any harm anyway

[Steve Whitney]

then again they'd be driving at such a slow speed the toddler probably wouldnt come to any harm anyway

but there's a difference between driving at 60kmh in a 50 zone, braking & hitting a pedestrian at 20kmh; to driving 40kmh in a 50 zone whilst being blissfully unaware a pedestrian is on the road & hitting 'em at 40kmh. :w:

not to say either scenario is acceptable, but its something to put into perspective.

HTH

[TheRealGarvs]

but there's a difference between driving at 60kmh in a 50 zone, braking & hitting a pedestrian at 20kmh; to driving 40kmh in a 50 zone whilst being blissfully unaware a pedestrian is on the road & hitting 'em at 40kmh. :w:

not to say either scenario is acceptable, but its something to put into perspective.

HTH

perfect response!

That is exactly how i'v always thought of it--
if you're on a pedistrian crossing and see an old badger coming at you @ 40km/h straight on, time to say your prayers cause you know the chances of them actually hitting the right pedal, let alone at all is slim to none

I was doing 40km/h in a 60 zone the other day and a retard in a 4wd was illegally parked (or had just attempted to- same visual field blocked) so i could not see the pedestrian coming onto the crossing (eep)- i was very close to the crossing when i smacked on the brakes (could finally see the person); but luckily i kept aware and did a fantastic job of it (if i must say so myself)-- all avoided, and i know plenty of people even in my age bracket who very likely would of just kept going (possibly without choice due to car as well of course)
* wouldn't mind knowing how much less the 4wd owner would of got reamed than myself if i had of fucked it all up

[summoner]

but there's a difference between driving at 60kmh in a 50 zone, braking & hitting a pedestrian at 20kmh; to driving 40kmh in a 50 zone whilst being blissfully unaware a pedestrian is on the road & hitting 'em at 40kmh. :w:

not to say either scenario is acceptable, but its something to put into perspective.

HTH

I agree totally, but was a bit of a tongue and cheek comment :knock:

[Captiva Fan]

fact?!
do you have any sort of proof (or reasoning) forgee?

Oh, it's definitely a fact. In Sydney traffic, if someone does something stupid (apart from tools behaving dangerously aggressive, which really isn't that common), there's a very good chance they're Asian; at least, background/genetically speaking. That's not to say that other minorities aren't worse on-average, but while there are a lot of Asian-background people in Sydney, they definitely aren't a majority & hence you can't explain it by saying there're just a lot more Asian people around.
Now, what you probably could hypothesize, and probably be correct, is that people who learn to drive after their late teens into very early twenties (& who may not have had the experience of watching their parents do the same for their entire life) are really dodgy drivers. And/or those who learned in chaotic or rule-free conditions. However, that doesn't invalidate my statement; all it does is logically explain a potentially dangerous situation without putting any 'blame' on anyone (well, except maybe the licencing people ... or maybe, more importantly, the public transport people).

I noticed there was talk on the 2MMM news this morning (quick-grab not-particularly-highly-analysed stuff designed to take 60 seconds every half-hour between the traffic & weather) about extra testing for older drivers ... dunno who they're talking about having said it though (eg. gumbyment, opposition, NRMA, Reverend Lovejoy's wife, etc *).

*edit*
* - Answer - Scrubby. So kinda irrelevant, really.

[BevanChick]

Actually, P plates do have a bit to do with age in Qld at least.

Once you're over 25, the rules for how much alcohol you can drink are different, as opposed to P platers under 25. And iirc, last time I checked, you spent less time on your Ps if you got them once you were over 25.

That may have changed since then as it was some time ago.

But clearly, nothing to do with experience and all about age.

[fury]

an old person ran into my old r33 skyline after being supposedly "blinded" by oncoming headlights.. poor hoon car.. What did it do to the elderly person to deserve that? :p

[Spammy]

I agree with Forg ....most drivers that I see weaving all over the road in the fast lane at 1/2 the speed limit, driving through red lights, turning the wrong way into one way streets etc are camry drivers from Hurstville E-ping or Chatswong.

As for elderly drivers...a friend of the family is in his mid 70s, has passed out twice at the wheel after suffering some sort of mild heart attacks and as a result had major accidents both times (2 written off cars) but he is still driving .,....wtf?

I have also followed some old dude home from the ferry a few times....he must get blinded by oncoming lights as he stops dead every time another car comes the other way.....this is in a 50 zone where he stuggles to get to 35 anyways.

[auscar]

I agree with Forg, kill the asians, test the old people*






*Piss off.. I'm joking. About the old people :-)

double wammy,i was driving a truck through viatnamatta (cabramatta)and a old/asian looked straight into my eye's while pulling out in front of me from a road side parking spot while the little rice munches in the back seat laughed if i had'nt reacted so quick they would have been dim sims now under a 25 tonne truck.:knock:

[benwmw]

Oh, it's definitely a fact. In Sydney traffic, if someone does something stupid (apart from tools behaving dangerously aggressive, which really isn't that common), there's a very good chance they're Asian; at least, background/genetically speaking. That's not to say that other minorities aren't worse on-average, but while there are a lot of Asian-background people in Sydney, they definitely aren't a majority & hence you can't explain it by saying there're just a lot more Asian people around.

I wonder whether it's just that you notice it more, when it's Asian-background people driving.
Whereas for me, I tend to notice the idiot bogan and aggressive young chick drivers quite a lot (if we're going to get into stereotypes).

Have to admit, I have had to avoid quite a few incompetent Asian drivers (speaking as an Asian-background person myself).

[F|sh]

lol south park for the win!!!

how true

My gran had to give up driving she understood she could no longer control a car.