Run your car on water.

[lumpy]

Crap.
There's been many repeatable and reliable CF experiments going on for quite a long time.
Ironically, CF has provided more energy output than all the hot fusion experiements ever run.
More info here.

Hmmmmmmm

The primary theorists in the field that is properly designated Cold Fusion/LENR have generally assumed that the excess heat phenomena is commensurate with nuclear ash (such as helium), whether already identified or presumed to be present but not yet found. That was an excellent initial hypothesis. However, the commensurate nuclear ash hypothesis has not been proved, and appears to be approximately correct in only a few experiments.

So if you're getting hydrogen fusion, why no helium output?

It's getting off-topic but if you are really interested in this stuff get the book "Too Hot to Handle, the race for cold fusion" by Frank Close. It goes into a lot of detail how the "cold fusion" thing erupted and where the mistakes were made.

Acheiving cold fusion would be a great thing for the human race, but it seems no-one has actually gone out and designed a set of experiments to prove or disprove what is happening. Until this happens, "big science" won't take it very seriously.

[Camma]

O/T but after years of reading GTSBoy's wisdom I have come up with the following equasion...

GTSBoy > Dr Karl

That is all. Continue discussion.

[Billzilla]

Hmmmmmmm


So if you're getting hydrogen fusion, why no helium output?

It's getting off-topic but if you are really interested in this stuff get the book "Too Hot to Handle, the race for cold fusion" by Frank Close. It goes into a lot of detail how the "cold fusion" thing erupted and where the mistakes were made.

Acheiving cold fusion would be a great thing for the human race, but it seems no-one has actually gone out and designed a set of experiments to prove or disprove what is happening. Until this happens, "big science" won't take it very seriously.

If you would take the time to actually read the information on the site I linked to, you would see that pretty much everything you've written is wrong and/or out of date.

[Vicko]

Since when does anyone read anything Bill?

[lumpy]

The problem I (and I'm guessing 95% of the scientific population) have with cold fusion is the lack of a consistent theory as to how the fusion reaction occurs, and what the output is/should be. Currently (that's puntastic!) you have a collection of people across the globe playing with electrolytic cells and gas phase devices trying to measure changes in heat output and if found, convert it into a device that provides useful work.

With the overt influence of a great possibility to make piles of money, it appears that people are starting from the wrong end - ie. here's what looks to be a reaction, it's possibly cold fusion, lets try and get some nuclear power out of it. When the research should be, here's an unexplained event lets arrive at a consistent theory that describes whats happening and thus accurately predicts what will happen. Unlike our current understanding of nuclear fission reactions (widely understood and reproduced), the "cold fusion" phenomena is at best unpredictable and the many theories around it are poorly explained/poorly supported with unbiased empirical evidence. Until there is a consistent theory and better reproducibility/empirical support of that theory I doubt we'll ever see a commercial cold fusion powered device.

[Puff_Datto]

I think I just got stupider after seeing that (who would have thought that was possible :p)

What are we supposed to be impressed with? Is that blow torch more powerfull than a stock blow torch? Does it have anything to do with the car? Is he just dividing hydrogen and oxygen through electrolysis? which is nothing new. WTF?

mate ... how brainwashed are ya

[Billzilla]

The problem I (and I'm guessing 95% of the scientific population) have with cold fusion is the lack of a consistent theory as to how the fusion reaction occurs, and what the output is/should be. Currently (that's puntastic!) you have a collection of people across the globe playing with electrolytic cells and gas phase devices trying to measure changes in heat output and if found, convert it into a device that provides useful work.

With the overt influence of a great possibility to make piles of money, it appears that people are starting from the wrong end - ie. here's what looks to be a reaction, it's possibly cold fusion, lets try and get some nuclear power out of it. When the research should be, here's an unexplained event lets arrive at a consistent theory that describes whats happening and thus accurately predicts what will happen. Unlike our current understanding of nuclear fission reactions (widely understood and reproduced), the "cold fusion" phenomena is at best unpredictable and the many theories around it are poorly explained/poorly supported with unbiased empirical evidence. Until there is a consistent theory and better reproducibility/empirical support of that theory I doubt we'll ever see a commercial cold fusion powered device.

Well that's better, you got most of that right this time.
There's still reliable and reproducable experiments that produce excess heat, and yet they don't have a robust theory as to how they work.
But they continue to work regardless.

[GTSBoy]

I think that they would be better served trying to solve the containment problem and doing hot fusion first.

Get a nice reliable and clean power supply from a reaction that you know CAN happen, rather than blow scientific smoke up people's arses in the search for cold fusion that doesn't even have a supporting theory.

I mean, let's face it. We all know that the single requirement for fusion to take place is for two nuclei to have so much kinetic energy (=speed=temperature) that they fuse when they bang together. No-one can suggest a reason why two hydrogen nuclei would be remotely inclined to allow themselves to get close enough together to fuse without the extreme temperatures. Without the high temperature, getting it to happen would be like getting edo and ustasa to make love in the Big Brother house.

[Billzilla]

Yes the Coulombe Barrier is the main point of contention, but again this doesn't stop the various experiments from working.

[piss98]

Isn't the world's first full sized fusion reactor experiement already underway with input from numerous countries budget wise and is in the progress of being built? I know this does not mean it works but they have done the hard yards on a small scale and proved they can do it (although the energy released was only on par with the input but on a greater scale they believe it will work?) Was on ABC last week or so....be farked if I can remember the name of the project but I think it was ITEA or ITA ro something - being headed by one of the Uni physics areas in the states.

Looked very cool but was a little concerned these people were building something that had the energy potential of a star on earth.

[edo]

If you dumped water down a long hose from really high in the air you might be able to spin the crownwheel...is that running on water or have I just invented a car that runs on gravity?

[Billzilla]

Looked very cool but was a little concerned these people were building something that had the energy potential of a star on earth.

ITER.


There's no danger of having a hot fusion reactors in you suburb. If the thing starts to get a bit wonky just stop the fuel feed (deuterium) and the whole thing shuts down in microseconds. There's also relatively little radioactive by-products.

[lumpy]

Well that's better, you got most of that right this time.
There's still reliable and reproducable experiments that produce excess heat, and yet they don't have a robust theory as to how they work.
But they continue to work regardless.

But would you be game to scale that up though Bill? Not really knowing what's happening, just that somethings seems to be? Would you fly a plane that runs on such a device? - These are the problems that cold fusion is faces. In essence, they're trying to be an industry before becoming a science. Hot fusion is a science that's trying to become an industry.

[Billzilla]

But would you be game to scale that up though Bill? Not really knowing what's happening, just that somethings seems to be? Would you fly a plane that runs on such a device? - These are the problems that cold fusion is faces. In essence, they're trying to be an industry before becoming a science. Hot fusion is a science that's trying to become an industry.

It's not efficient enough at the moment to power any aeroplane, nor will it be for some time. And believe it or not there are real scientists working on it right now, have been for over 17 years, on both how it works and how to get more out of it.
It'll happen, just not quickly.

[jesus]

this new invention is SWEET

i just filled the 300c with water, cant wait to drive it and see how it gos!!!!!!!