QLD Govt. bans drifting at Mt. Cotton (street drift is best obviously)

[TonyJZX]

I fully 'support' the right of people to oppose the building of a 2nd airport, 2nd nuclear reactor and the building of mosques and buddhist temples all over the joint.

I wouldn't want any of this shit near me. Fuck no.

However you are free to demonstrate in the middle of Tianamen Square.

I'm just a couple of meters down from Pennant Hills Rd. - I can readily tell when an SS or WRX or RB/JZ is going full hard.

I wanna complain to someone now!

[Mr Ed]

Cant we just ban Silvias??

[black03sti]

The drifting at Mt Cotton skidpan was on wet surface with diesel applied. This allowed drifting to be performed at low safe speeds while keeping noise levels as low as possible. There has also been noise limits of 90db and tyre smoke prohibited for some time so what was being done on skidpan was not the same as dry surface and nothing like events run at places like QR or OP. Damn shame really as it was a great opportunity to practice advanced car control. The caretaker also takes it upon himself to decide what is deemed to be drifting and in one particular case an AWD car was ordered to stop drifting.....then couple of weeks later same car, same technique, no hassles what so ever.....go figure.

[4x4FishGuy]

for fuck's sake, they have the right to complain under the local laws if there is a new development/use in an existing facility even if it pre-exists. It then gets judged and ruled on. You can move to mascot and complain, you will not be successful but that is another issue. Some of these residents may have been there for 30 years, do you know how long they have been there. What gives you the right to deny a person's ability to seek an arbitration on a matter affecting their life? If the owner of the business want to teach drifting, that's fine...he can build his own facility and charge accordingly.
The skid pan use seems to be tightly controlled and low impact. I cannot imagine that the drifting would be at a similar level unless they wetted down the corners etc...

Well said. Mt Cotton is hardly a new suburb, im sure there are people that have lived there before the drive training thing was installed. Ive been out there twice, first time was for a genuine driver training day, had a great time. Did a few laps around the skidpan in the token stocko VT commodore and learned quite a bit. 2nd time was with an s13 club. The difference between the 2 days was the noise for one. Cant even hear a stock commodore going around but a dozen or so s13's bouncing off the rev limiter for a few hours is another story. The entire thing seems a bit blown out of proportion but I think i've picked my side after reading Nero's intelligent response. Pull ya heads out of your arses the rest of you. The world is not just about you.

Mt Cotton is a driver training center, not a drifters anonymous meeting spot. As far as I know folks go here to learn a thing or two about driving and how to control their car should something go wrong. Thats why I went there the first time. Im not sure at what point they started allowing clubs to use the skidpan for drift days though. When I was there the place was crawling with cadet coppers, can't really imagine drift days even being organised in their presence !

It is however just another example of modified car owners getting a rough deal. But the arguement of "we have no facility so now we will use the street" just doesnt cut the mustard anymore. No matter what facility was built for young motorsport enthusiasts there will always be dickheads out there doing silly shit on the streets. Thats life ! If you dont like it sell your modded car and get a 4x4! Havnt been pulled over yet!

Cheers

[GSRman]

they will ban motorkhanas next.

[browny]

or not. No one is banning anything here. They are simply deciding not to allowing their facility to be used for certain activities.

The Govt is a very conservative organisation run by old men. Its no surprise to me that an activity which has the image of fully hektik young guys street racing in noisy cars isn't going to receive any support.

[GSRman]

i DID mean at their facility... purely because i know how rambuctious i get at the khanas at our driver training centre..

[Merry Vanly Stan]

You obviously have no idea about what constitutes car control, which is an essential part of any complete driver training course.

yes, but the problem is that many groups were going out there under the guise of a "driver training course", and having a drift day with minimal or no driver training. if these groups made it clear that they were out there for a drift day then the facility never would have accepted their booking. likewise, if they actually spent the majority of their time using the facility for what it was intended then they wouldn't have had any problem.

classic case of a few dickheads taking it too far and spoiling it for everyone really.

[260BC]

Over the back at MtC there is a big open area that could be used for learning skid control, or drifting for that matter. Seems to be fairly isolated, better to have the dorifto's there under supervision than out on the roads I would have thought. Yet the Govmint has heaps of $ and support for foreigners to race at Indy

[someone]

Cant we just ban Silvias??

:knock: No.

[smellytofu]

It can be viewd as training for an illegal activity.

So is a rifle range but you don't see them being banned.

If they don't let people to do their fully hectik dorifto, then you watch them in the industrial estates. Even if it's not training and just mucking about, we can't have fun with our cars? Why is doing a burnout at the Summernats any different to a couple of kids in Silvias mucking around trying to slide about on a skid pan? Both make lots of noise, both make lots of smoke, both are "illegal" yet one is accepted and the other is not.

So just coz it's called a training centre means it can't be an isolated area where what could be called antisocial activities can be performed? Racetracks promote "illegal" activities too.

If we can't have brainless fun with our cars somewhere where people are very happy to pay their entry fee to use the facililties, then we might as well all ride solar powered bicycles.

[TonyJZX]

boxing is also training for an illegal activity

this is really simple to me - a racetrack or skidpan is a noisy place, deal with it

i would suppose that you'd ban some activities at eastern creek or whatever because it made a bit more noise than say... I dunno... Prius drag racing?

[Nero]

So is a rifle range but you don't see them being banned.

If they don't let people to do their fully hectik dorifto, then you watch them in the industrial estates. Even if it's not training and just mucking about, we can't have fun with our cars? Why is doing a burnout at the Summernats any different to a couple of kids in Silvias mucking around trying to slide about on a skid pan? Both make lots of noise, both make lots of smoke, both are "illegal" yet one is accepted and the other is not.

So just coz it's called a training centre means it can't be an isolated area where what could be called antisocial activities can be performed? Racetracks promote "illegal" activities too.

If we can't have brainless fun with our cars somewhere where people are very happy to pay their entry fee to use the facililties, then we might as well all ride solar powered bicycles.

You will have to educate me on how a racetrack promote illegal activities!?
It remains a training centre where the owner has banned an activity as part of the rules of the venue, get over it. Having fun with a car is fine, it does not have to be so egocentric WRT this topic. Should there be the demand then there should be the financial support. Dig into your own pocket and help finance the venue. There are 3, soon to be 4 club run and owned motorsport venues in Victoria to my knowledge.

[buzz]

i DID mean at their facility... purely because i know how rambuctious i get at the khanas at our driver training centre..

Are you just jealous that you didn't get to take that copper for some skids after he'd finished booking that guy for burnouts at the front gate of the facility?

[Nero]

boxing is also training for an illegal activity

this is really simple to me - a racetrack or skidpan is a noisy place, deal with it

i would suppose that you'd ban some activities at eastern creek or whatever because it made a bit more noise than say... I dunno... Prius drag racing?

The boxing argument is factually incorrect, but it has some parrallels I admit.
No a skid pan is not that noisy. There is frequently a 75dB noise limit at some venues. Try and drift with that restriction!
I would not ban you from anything. This is not a you vs me discussion and to ridicule means a lack of rational position.
I just run a magazine and visit many venues and speak to people. Lots of motorsport venues have pressure on them, not just MtC and noise polution is only one part of it. Currently the only victorian venue that has limited opposition is Winton...and that can be argued.