QLD Govt. bans drifting at Mt. Cotton (street drift is best obviously)

[IMOA]

Then the ban isn't on "drifting", it's banning car control exercises on a dry track for that facility. The big difference is that banning "drifting" results in banning _all_ car control exercises involving cornering (and could also ban events like motorkhanas) whereas defining exactly what is being banned only results in a ban on those exercises.

Personally I cannot see any reason to ban any exercise on a closed facility as long as that exercise isn't dangerous and doesn't breech the regulations the facility is bound by (eg noise limits). Anything different just smacks of scrubyism imo and your assertion that conducting these events on a closed facility promotes illegal activity is an extreme example of exactly this. You cannot argue that some closed circuit motorsport events are beneficial while others promote illegal activity. Either they do or they don't, the idea that some do and some don't is a joke. Personally I've no real interest in actually going out and drifting just as I have no real interest in competing in drag racing, burnout comps etc. However others do and just because those events don't really interest me as a competitor this does not mean they are any less worthy than the events I'm interested in.

In regards to noise the meter has been monitored at every event we've been at and to the best of my knowledge we have never breeched the noise limits for the facility. On almost every track we've run I've asked to see the noise meter while our car was running simply for my own purposes (basically so I know if any changes need to be made so we don't get caught out in competition) and when I was there we haven't gone close. But that didn't surprise me, having attended a hell of a lot of drift and circuit events including a number that had both (such as the V8's yestereday) I find your assertion that drifting is louder than say a full field of V8 Supercars or the drags or a burnout comp utterly laughable.

And no, we're well aware the car isn't setup well for circuit racing, we finished a drift day, left the car at the track, changed the tyres and did the supersprint the next day. The car is however setup very differently to what the "experts" here claim is a driftcar setup which goes some way to explaining how it was able to take ftd's while still in a pure drift setup.

btw, I've spoken to the victorian drift club and a number of the victorian competitors and none of them have any idea about the event you mentioned at sandown

[TonyJZX]

Problem is that the professional drifters are all lumped in the same basket and the nissansilvia.com crowd.

[IMOA]

relax mate, the fear of stopwatches comment was just a joke.

if you got FTD at the first sprint you ever entered, that says more about the quality of the competition than you. by street tyres, are you referring to semi-slicks, or normal street tyres?

fear of drifters! :rotflol:

To be fair the first supersprint had a fairly "soft" field but we did go out on standard brakes so that sorta evened it up The second event was the NSW multiclub with 110 entrants and a very competitive field with some very well sorted cars

That said, while it's the first supersprint we've run in that car as a driftcar it's a hell of a long way from the first timed event we've been involved in

[Nero]

Then the ban isn't on "drifting", it's banning car control exercises on a dry track for that facility. The big difference is that banning "drifting" results in banning _all_ car control exercises involving cornering (and could also ban events like motorkhanas) whereas defining exactly what is being banned only results in a ban on those exercises.

Personally I cannot see any reason to ban any exercise on a closed facility as long as that exercise isn't dangerous and doesn't breech the regulations the facility is bound by (eg noise limits). Anything different just smacks of scrubyism imo and your assertion that conducting these events on a closed facility promotes illegal activity is an extreme example of exactly this. You cannot argue that some closed circuit motorsport events are beneficial while others promote illegal activity. Either they do or they don't, the idea that some do and some don't is a joke. Personally I've no real interest in actually going out and drifting just as I have no real interest in competing in drag racing, burnout comps etc. However others do and just because those events don't really interest me as a competitor this does not mean they are any less worthy than the events I'm interested in.

In regards to noise the meter has been monitored at every event we've been at and to the best of my knowledge we have never breeched the noise limits for the facility. On almost every track we've run I've asked to see the noise meter while our car was running simply for my own purposes (basically so I know if any changes need to be made so we don't get caught out in competition) and when I was there we haven't gone close. But that didn't surprise me, having attended a hell of a lot of drift and circuit events including a number that had both (such as the V8's yestereday) I find your assertion that drifting is louder than say a full field of V8 Supercars or the drags or a burnout comp utterly laughable.

And no, we're well aware the car isn't setup well for circuit racing, we finished a drift day, left the car at the track, changed the tyres and did the supersprint the next day. The car is however setup very differently to what the "experts" here claim is a driftcar setup which goes some way to explaining how it was able to take ftd's while still in a pure drift setup.

btw, I've spoken to the victorian drift club and a number of the victorian competitors and none of them have any idea about the event you mentioned at sandown

Is this aimed at me?

[IMOA]

Problem is that the professional drifters are all lumped in the same basket and the nissansilvia.com crowd.

Too true.

One thing you do notice is in the states where the "drifters" have worked within the existing motorsport framework (I'm looking at SA here) their behaviour, "track" sense, attitude and ability is consistantly better than those states where the drifters have gone off and done things by themselves. Personally I think the drift community would learn a hell of a lot by tapping into the existing experience which is available but sadly too many of them think they're too cool for that. Likewise, I suspect a lot of people within more traditional motorsport disciplines would really enjoy getting out there and having a go at some well run drift days and could learn quite a bit from the drifters. Unfortunately both "groups" tend to prejudge the other and both or poorer for it.

[IMOA]

Is this aimed at me?

Not aimed at you, it's a response to your post with some other thoughts thrown in which I felt were relevant to the discussion

[Nero]

seems it is...edit ok. I will check my diary to see if I kept record of who ran the event. The fact that some people do not know about it does not mean that it did not occur.
WRT the first point, fair enough if that is your view.
WRT the second point, the regulations are set by the owner of the facility, they seem to have decided, for whatever reasons, to change them. that is their right. WRT the difference in events as far a illegality issues, yes I can have that view. It may not be the competitors who are the issue, but it is a youth culture event that has influence. It can be seen to promote itself as exciting and dangerous and go to the nissan silva forum and read the posts. Now go and do the same thing with a motorsport forum such as sprints or circuit. As with all motorsport the serious adherents are not the problem, but who does the sport influence and what does it promote?
WRT the noise meter, do you mean at a sprint or at a drift event? and when did I make the assertion or comparison about the supercars/drags etc?.
WRT to the setup you have taken the comment the wrong way, read it again.

[hrd]

To be fair the first supersprint had a fairly "soft" field but we did go out on standard brakes so that sorta evened it up The second event was the NSW multiclub with 110 entrants and a very competitive field with some very well sorted cars

That said, while it's the first supersprint we've run in that car as a driftcar it's a hell of a long way from the first timed event we've been involved in

ah, so you've got a background in other motorsport disciplines than drifting.

the QLD Supersprint Series attracts a number of open wheel racecars from F4000 (or whatever they are called this week!) to Formula Libre/hillclimb specials, and a bunch of Sport Sedans as well as having some top notch IPRA cars. And I can't see any of the cars in the Drift Australia series being able to match many of them...

and 260DET, yes missed that topic. again I'd suggest the quality of the field was not all that high, or the "drifter" concerned had a considerable background in other motorsport disciplines before that sprint. At any rate, he would be the exception rather than the norm. if you had half a clue you'd come to the same conclusion.

[IMOA]

I wouldn't say we're super experienced (as we're not) however we all had motorsport experience prior to drifting and most of us continue to be involved with circuit racing. The aim was always to build a kick arse car that is a hoot to drive that could turn it's hand at anything. The Super TT category that has started with the AMRS for example is something we're seriously keen to run once we can get budget sorted (and ironed out the niggles with the car)

Open wheelers we don't have a show against, hillclimb specials the same I imagine (though that does cover a pretty wide spectrum of cars), Sports Sedans we wouldn't have a hope againt a decent over 2l, top notch IPRA no problems though we'd probably need to give the car a wheel alignment first. Like I said the field included a stack of Group A cars, a VS V8 Supercar, quite a few prod sports cars and heaps of IPRA cars. That's atm, once the drift season has finished we'll be putting a bit of effort into this side of things rather than the "just run it as is for half a day" thing we've done so far. We've really barely scratched the surface of the car's potential so far. In the end though we can only compete with who is there on the day driving under the same conditions and so far we've done that quite succesfully.

Nero

I guess my point is was it a drift event or was it a bunch of muppets who wanted to do burnouts on a racetrack and so organised a "drift" event.

wrt illegality, personally I find it hard to see the logic behind deeming events such as drags, burnout comps or tarmac rallies as not having an unacceptable influence when drifting does. Hell, even on forums such as ns.com there is a very strong "tack it to the track you idiot" sentiment.

noise meter was at drift events, at this point I'm not real concerned what it says at a supersprint (unless we go ovber the limit). Regarding the noise of other motorsport events I understood your earlier comments to be stating that you live 15 mins drive from sandown and that drifting was louder than anything else they run there. The categories/events I listed are all run at sandown.

[Motorsportlady]

nah its mainly about 19yo's in s13s driving around bouncing off the rev limiter whilst trying to open the door and wave.

It's mainly about the noise polution, with the influx of more residential into the area, the government are having trouble with keeping the noise levels within the guidelines. The noise levels are supposed to be no more than the traffic driving past the front gate on the same day.

On a recent driver training day, the manager of the facility was constantly monitoring road traffic, skid pan noise, circuit work, manuvering skills and brake testing to ensure our noise did not exceed the road traffic going past.

Those of us with noisy cars had to opt for high gears and lower revs than ones with quieter cars!

[Big Trev]

Winton has embraced Drifting, it see it as a new opportunity to keep the track alive. Winton has 5 Drift events/meets booked in for 2007, each event has been bigger than the last thus far.

Winton, like all other Australian race tracks has a 95dBa restriction.

[Nero]

good on em, they need the events and its good for the local economy.

[Dave]

Problem is that the professional drifters are all lumped in the same basket and the nissansilvia.com crowd.

misnomer alert

[PlacentaJuan]

lets hope they ban rice next.

then i will move there.

[GT-R LM]

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