V8 Supercar discussion thread

[St00ge]

Interesting DJR moved away from Penske considering they've been using them since at least the EB days, and the Captain now owns the team.

Not for a while.. don't thing the Penske shocks are even homologated for use.




Re the fuel, yeah fucking stupid but what do you do?? not follow the rule book?? then lucas dumbrell would rolled up to the race director and protested!!

[Bob Vegana.]

Yep sorry got mixed up, HRT were the only ones really persisting with ohlins before IIRC



PRA have been there from the start with supashock have they not? DJR makes sense as tie up with PRA, interesting that HRT has joined them as above they seemed to want anything but what 888 have.

Volvo are still on Ohlins.

Word was, that Ohlins aftersales support to this end of the world at motorsport level was non-existant. GRM sought some help through the Ohlins backdoor, via Volvo's relationship with them, as an OEM supplier.

[Bob Vegana.]

Not for a while.. don't thing the Penske shocks are even homologated for use.




Re the fuel, yeah fucking stupid but what do you do?? not follow the rule book?? then lucas dumbrell would rolled up to the race director and protested!!

Correct. Penkse aren't on the approved list... yet.

Supashocks aren't approved for DVS, either.

[12arx3]

The rules were the same for everyone, other teams like Lowndes Mcloughlin were bringing them in for stops instead of leaving them out like coulthard did, why he was whinging I don't know, it wasn't like they hadn't been given a rulebook?
Rain always becomes a great equaliser and shuffles the field up, some because of luck when they change tyres etc, some good strategy.
Well done to LDM I reckon, they read it best and were quick enough and were rewarded.

[Monk]

Yeah, the whole fuel situation seemed pretty silly. If you're going to call the race early, how can you expect people to put all the fuel in?

[Its me]

Amateur hour.

[Bathurst]

Not knowing whether the race had officially started, referring blatant driver indiscretions to post race whilst another blatant indiscretion (SVG) was deemed to be okay on the spot and the whole fuel issue was just a massive Lol@V8SC's.

[SuperDave]

Amateur two hours.

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[fly510]

Not knowing whether the race had officially started, referring blatant driver indiscretions to post race whilst another blatant indiscretion (SVG) was deemed to be okay on the spot and the whole fuel issue was just a massive Lol@V8SC's.

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i think this sums up yesterday nicely. it wasn't one thing or incident that makes them look bad. The thing was a circus and was completely played out on TV for all to see. Sad really.

[Its me]

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Ok, ya got me.

[greenhj]

Hey, I still got drunk so the day wasn't a total loss I suppose.

[St00ge]

i think this sums up yesterday nicely. it wasn't one thing or incident that makes them look bad. The thing was a circus and was completely played out on TV for all to see. Sad really.

The ring leaders in the confusion are the fucking muppets in the com box, they confused everyone the most... The race went full "distance" it was 78laps or a time certain finish + 1 lap, they race hit that time so was complete thus you needed to of taken on 140l.. Stupid rule due to nissian and merc and will be seen again at all supersprint event, Darwin, Townsville and Sydney 500. It also seems they are now going to get a 1m20s penalty for no taking on the 140l....


stolen from 10/10s explaining the rules re the start.

Originally Posted by DX20VT View Post
reading rule 9.4.6 and 9.4.7 together,
does it state that the race starts at the end of the lap after the safety car pulls in? being THAT lap
As that would have been quite a few laps into the race in that case?

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Relevant rules section: https://d3spxwpngnho1k.cloudfront.ne...ualDivD-V1.pdf

I think the problem goes back to rules that are poorly written allowing different interpretations. After reading the rules for both normal and safety car starts, I think one issue is that the race was originally intended to start under normal conditions, and was switched to a safety car start after the completion of the formation lap. I can't see that situation covered by the rules ... and I could be wrong.

Firstly, under 9.1.10 or 9.2.9 (normal start), 25 out of 26 cars were correctly positioned to be considered under starter's orders - 21 on the grid and 4 at pit exit. This is 3-5 seconds before the actual race start.

Under normal conditions, the race is considered started when the red lights go out (9.1.11 or 9.2.10).

Cars starting at pit exit may start the race only on the direction of an Official, and after the rest of the field has passed the Pit Lane exit (9.1.14 or 9.2.13)

Surely this is what happened today, except under a safety car start.

However, under a safety car start, when said red lights go out, the cars are said to be under starters orders (9.4.3), so there is the start of the muddle.

As stated above, we then have the 9.4.7 and 9.4.7.1 rules. One literal interpretation of those 2 rules is that the 4 cars at pit exit prior to the safety car leaving on lap 1 is that those 4 cars should not have been under starter's orders until lap 6 ... ridiculous! And also not in keeping with the general intent of the starting from pit exit rules above.

[zossy1]

It also seems they are now going to get a 1m20s penalty for no taking on the 140l....

Communication around this yesterday was shithouse. Rain can make for great racing but V8SC race control somehow managed to completely rape the viewing experience, and evidently, the experience for the race teams as well.

[Dave75]

At least the V8's did more laps than the 1991 F1 ...stopped after only 14 laps due to nil visibility...

[ButtaS15]

The ring leaders in the confusion are the fucking muppets in the com box, they confused everyone the most... The race went full "distance" it was 78laps or a time certain finish + 1 lap, they race hit that time so was complete thus you needed to of taken on 140l.. Stupid rule due to nissian and merc and will be seen again at all supersprint event, Darwin, Townsville and Sydney 500. It also seems they are now going to get a 1m20s penalty for no taking on the 140l....


stolen from 10/10s explaining the rules re the start.

Stooge, can you confirm the rule regarding pit window? Doesn't it normally not open until lap 3 or 4 or is that only sprint rounds? It was mentioned at the beginning of Saturdays 2 x 150km races. If it should have applied on Sunday also, then wouldn't Frosty and the other cars that pitted for fuel on lap 0 and 1 be in breach if pitting before the window was open?