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    Have unlimited no rules class so we can still see impressive cars doing impressive times. But also a class that people can afford to compete in.
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      So what was so special about the evo? Watching on the stream it looked far more like a street car than the 2 Gtrs.


      What part of the build couldn't be replicated by anyone. At the end of the day clubsprint is the best class for tuners to showcase their workshops. The mods being done are what their potential customers are most likely to be wanting. With that you are always going to end up with a hired gun/friend whos a handy steerer in the seat.
      If in doubt power out

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        Originally posted by Stevil View Post
        SwitchIX I get that there have been ' drivers' doing the steering for shops but where does clubsprint end up ? I remember being asked to bring along rego papers at the WTAC 2015 even thou no checks were performed at scrutineering, that was dropped the following year. I think it would be better if they kept the class to owner/driver and road registered otherwise it just turns into a perverted deeper pockets game and will lose appeal for competitors.
        This.
        Could not agree more.
        The whole point of Clubsprint is to compete in cars that can be driven on the street.
        The Road Registered rule should be enforced. Owner drivers only or make another street class with stricter rules.
        If I compete in the Taxi in 2018, I'll probably be the only car driving to the track. lol
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          Agreed, the classes are bullshit.

          The restricitions, or lack thereof, seem to favour the trophy hunters with deep pockets. Class restrictions are meant to be half the challenge of competing, not seeing how much piss you can take with the rulebook.
          Originally posted by brewdles
          In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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            Originally posted by Bob Vegana. View Post
            Agreed, the classes are bullshit.

            The restricitions, or lack thereof, seem to favour the trophy hunters with deep pockets. Class restrictions are meant to be half the challenge of competing, not seeing how much piss you can take with the rulebook.
            Welcome to every form of motorsport ever.
            If in doubt power out

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              I wouldn't say every.

              There are catagories with rulesets, that make you use your brain and driving ability, to get the most out of them.
              Originally posted by brewdles
              In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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                Originally posted by Stevil View Post
                Not at all SwitchIX workshop cars should enter, just have the owner drive em. No doubt Jordys got talent but he has gone about 4 sec quicker than any previous Evo and if one was to build a similar spec Evo your probably looking at Sydney house deposit money, lets keeps this as low level Club/trackday car type of class.
                Hardly a way to sell your business then. Look at volksmuller. Steve Muller in the golf r got beaten by muggleton in the GTI. Just because you own a shop does not mean you can drive. Paul Fisher is another, how would the pulse Evo fare if he was driving. Albeit its a different class but still the same argument
                I lack the open mind to believe in a lot of pretend concepts...like magic, or aliens, or reliable rotaries...also unicorns don't exist. Either you can accept those as scientific facts, or one of these Christmas's, you are in for a rude awakening when you discover Santa Clause isn't real

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                  have a NSW RMS defect station set up at the entrance for the club sprint competitors.

                  problem solved!

                  but seriously, motorsport is competitive and people will always take the piss.

                  look at the Spec Miata series shennanigans in the USA. teams are buying up as many heads as they can find looking for casting defects in the ports that they can exploit within the rules.

                  https://blackflag.jalopnik.com/so-ma...lac-1645710255

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                    Originally posted by 333pg333 View Post
                    Mick, this is being discussed as we speak. I'm still pulling the blankets up over my head at the moment though. Personally I think there should be another class between Club and Open. Billet blocks and SQ trans just make it too hard for the rest. There's a ton of guys who are 1:30-1:40 who are never going to get near 1:27. We would have cracked the 1:29's probably for another 4th place. Who cares...

                    The whole Spirit of T/A has been diluted by the wallet. Always happens in Motorsport...probably many sports. The Garage build car should have a place in T/A without having to go back to roadies. Anyway, Sprints is driving...so be it.
                    I kind of see both sides of the argument here. I understand how frustrating it must be for Pat, having been so close previously. There's no doubt that billet blocks and sequential transmissions are spendy, but I think "making it too hard for the rest" is a little bit of a blanket statement. Your chosen car means billet blocks and sequential boxes are too hardcore, agreed when it's going to cost you 50k+ for a sequential transaxle conversion. As awesome as your car is, a Porsche 944 isn't really representative of what can be achieved for the $. For example my sequential box is in the car with clutch, tilton master set up, bellhousing adaptor, tailshaft mods, shift indicator and labour for ~ $16k. Depending on the motor of choice you may not even need to go billet block, arguably more time to be gained out of just running lap after lap with the dial turned down than needing the insurance of a billet block and 40+psi. There'd be quite a few cars out there that owe less than the 944, probably some with sequential boxes and/or billet blocks.

                    That said, yes, costs went out of control years ago for this event. Amplified by the fact there's no set in stone rule structure, the rules keep being relaxed meaning already crazy cars with epic build costs need another 6 figures spent on them to keep themselves competitive for the next year. And there's no real national series with a comparable rule structure.

                    So of course the whole event is geared towards the upper, upper end of town, that's just evolution. Simple fact is you won't be competitive in any class there unless you have a lot of money to burn + you're a very talented driver + you're a very talented car builder. Why complain, that's just how it is and it's a great spectacle to watch. I certainly don't have the money or talent so I enjoy the lead up and love looking over the cars. There's still heaps of club level motorsport out there to run in, just accept the fact WTAC is sooooo far away from club level sprints it isn't funny.
                    Rust is lighter than carbon fibre.

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                      that flat grey Evo 9 that Jordan Cox took out club sprint in (by a fair margin) didn't look that crazy to me? still had a H-pattern etc. the fella could steer though, although he was effectively a ring-in pro driver in club sprint, with a lot of experience racing at SMSP in his civic.

                      the interior video looked very slow and smooth. was only a few seconds behind the CRD R34, which looked nuts by comparison.

                      the Bilsteins in it wouldn't be cheap though!

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                        Link to video?
                        Originally posted by brewdles
                        In short, some cunt at test and tune had a 250cc honda turning to 11ty and it sounded porn. Do that.

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                          Jordan is hardly a pro. A very, very talented young steerer driving in an amateur category (IPRA) punching above his weight. But agree, the car didn't seem to crazy at all, just well thought out and very well driven.
                          Rust is lighter than carbon fibre.

                          My Italian 510

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                            if he's not contracted yet, he will be soon. kid is a gun, and he's getting noticed.

                            https://blackflag.jalopnik.com/jorda...nda-1793020245

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                              For his sake I hope he does. Some of the vids from this year (Bathurst & Adelaide) have been sensational.
                              Rust is lighter than carbon fibre.

                              My Italian 510

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                                I guess at the end of the day, the event was pretty full.

                                From entries & the paying public having a look. So the formula is working.

                                Would still be cool to have a "Factory Engine & Gearbox" class. With turbo/cams/ECU/clutches/diff upgrades allowed.
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