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    #16
    Been looking at the same stuff. Used the GoPro, Racechrono Pro and ext Garmin GPS & OBD dongle for years but it's a pain in the arse sometimes. Not being linked and synched shits me, forgotten to start video etc some times.

    The Solo2 DL looks awesome but combined with smartycam, fuck it's an escalation in dollars. How much is my laziness and convenience worth... The struggle is real.

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      #17
      Originally posted by takai View Post
      The Autosport Labs RaceCapture/Track Mk2 seems to be getting quite a good review for this type of thing. Cheaper than the Vbox as well.
      I'll admit my run with my MK3 Pro hasn't been flawless I had a few issues starting out (mostly because I am trying to use it as a direct Vbox replacement which is isn't exactly intended for) but eventually I sorted it out and it works well. The app interface is a bit clunky IMO but you don't really touch it while driving so no issue, I'm hoping it will get better in a later update.They have an active community on Facebook and their forums with plenty of support and constant updates from feedback etc. I'm waiting patiently for a promised update which will provide the ability to log data directly into VBOX file format so it can be used with VBOX's Circuit Tools data analysis software as used by most pro teams. At the moment I use Racerender and TrackAttack to read the csv data logs.
      I'd also recommend the MK3 over the MK2 because of the physical inputs/outputs there's much more flexibilty eg can switch relays to control thermo fans, make shift lights etc using code/scipting within the software. I've seen a lot of people online caught out when they wanted to use their MK2 to do something that can only be done with the MK3.

      Originally posted by blue_s15 View Post
      Been looking at the same stuff. Used the GoPro, Racechrono Pro and ext Garmin GPS & OBD dongle for years but it's a pain in the arse sometimes. Not being linked and synched shits me, forgotten to start video etc some times.

      The Solo2 DL looks awesome but combined with smartycam, fuck it's an escalation in dollars. How much is my laziness and convenience worth... The struggle is real.
      Exactly, biggest issue starting out was just not having stuff work properly, Gopro not recording because it was turned on too late and didn't initialise a wifi connection with the app, Race Capture Pro not storing the logs because I had the wrong format microSD card inserted or even card was not inserted all the way properly. All small things that need to be checked and known about and when you're at the track you often havn't got time for that stuff.

      The VBOX and Smarty cam are awesome in that you simply run laps, pull into pits plug into a laptop and you've got video with data overlay straight away without having to render and sync videos with data which can take half an hour or more.
      You definitely pay for that convenience, $2000 for standard VBOX Lite with 580p and 480p low video resolution cameras or $4000 for the HD2 with 1080p cameras, and then add another $700 for the display.

      Probably a little more that the OP has in mind for simple lap timing duties.

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        #18
        Originally posted by jabtronic View Post
        I'll admit my run with my MK3 Pro hasn't been flawless I had a few issues starting out (mostly because I am trying to use it as a direct Vbox replacement which is isn't exactly intended for) but eventually I sorted it out and it works well. The app interface is a bit clunky IMO but you don't really touch it while driving so no issue, I'm hoping it will get better in a later update.They have an active community on Facebook and their forums with plenty of support and constant updates from feedback etc. I'm waiting patiently for a promised update which will provide the ability to log data directly into VBOX file format so it can be used with VBOX's Circuit Tools data analysis software as used by most pro teams. At the moment I use Racerender and TrackAttack to read the csv data logs.
        I'd also recommend the MK3 over the MK2 because of the physical inputs/outputs there's much more flexibilty eg can switch relays to control thermo fans, make shift lights etc using code/scipting within the software. I've seen a lot of people online caught out when they wanted to use their MK2 to do something that can only be done with the MK3.
        Interesting, because it makes out that all of the LUA scripting can be done on the Mk2, albeit without the switched outputs. Given ill be using an aftermarket ECU i can use the switched outputs from that for those with no issue.
        Was planning on using the Shift X3 for a shift light, which on paper works with the Track Mk2 as well.

        What sort of things have you seen not be able to be done with the Track?
        Chris
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          #19
          Originally posted by jabtronic View Post
          Exactly, biggest issue starting out was just not having stuff work properly, Gopro not recording because it was turned on too late and didn't initialise a wifi connection with the app, Race Capture Pro not storing the logs because I had the wrong format microSD card inserted or even card was not inserted all the way properly. All small things that need to be checked and known about and when you're at the track you often havn't got time for that stuff.

          The VBOX and Smarty cam are awesome in that you simply run laps, pull into pits plug into a laptop and you've got video with data overlay straight away without having to render and sync videos with data which can take half an hour or more.
          You definitely pay for that convenience, $2000 for standard VBOX Lite with 580p and 480p low video resolution cameras or $4000 for the HD2 with 1080p cameras, and then add another $700 for the display.

          Probably a little more that the OP has in mind for simple lap timing duties.
          Exactly this. You can Race Chrono into Circuit Tools, manually sync videos.. It's a hassle. For basic heads up lap display/timing Race Chrono with a 10hz GPS receiver works well.

          For serious analysis, Vbox works brilliantly. Drive out of the dummy grid, turn it on, (just provide 12v power, plug into the cigarette lighter if you like!) drive, then take the card out when you are done and plug into pc. The predictive timing is brilliant, a fabulous driver training tool. And then the ability to plug in lots of inputs and confuse yourself with bulk data..

          But yeah. $...

          Circuit Tools is especially brilliant if you have a friend in the same car. Grab their data, overlay laps, look at the time deltas, display both sets of in car footage synced.

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            #20
            I've got the racecapturre track MK2, definitely does LUA and 50hz gps as well as gyro and accelerometers.

            I've written LUA that writes all the Gps data to canbus so it gets read and logged by my ecu, but you could do it the other way and log all your ecu data with the racecapture unit if your ecu isn't friendly with gps data.

            Can also start and stop logs with speed and automatically talks to go pro cameras to start and stop recording in sync with the logs.

            Very happy so far with mine.

            The unit also does predictive lap timing but I haven't had a chance to see how good the prediction is, but is a useful visual aid if you have a smartphone on the dash, but using the fancy new shift light would let you use colour bars for lap delta so you didn't have to take your eyes off the road (and you don't want a phone flying around the cabin on a track)

            App is very basic for actually analysing logs and has nothing on something like circuit tools or the GEMS/aem logging analysis packages.

            But for 400aud a 50hz gps + 6dof IMU canbus unit was a bargain and the other features are a bonus.

            Oo___oO

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              #21
              Originally posted by burn is weird View Post
              I've got the racecapturre track MK2, definitely does LUA and 50hz gps as well as gyro and accelerometers.

              I've written LUA that writes all the Gps data to canbus so it gets read and logged by my ecu, but you could do it the other way and log all your ecu data with the racecapture unit if your ecu isn't friendly with gps data.

              Can also start and stop logs with speed and automatically talks to go pro cameras to start and stop recording in sync with the logs.

              Very happy so far with mine.

              The unit also does predictive lap timing but I haven't had a chance to see how good the prediction is, but is a useful visual aid if you have a smartphone on the dash, but using the fancy new shift light would let you use colour bars for lap delta so you didn't have to take your eyes off the road (and you don't want a phone flying around the cabin on a track)

              App is very basic for actually analysing logs and has nothing on something like circuit tools or the GEMS/aem logging analysis packages.

              But for 400aud a 50hz gps + 6dof IMU canbus unit was a bargain and the other features are a bonus.
              Nice food to hear more on the Track Mk2. 2 questions on it.
              1. Does it require an internet connection to log via the phone? Ie what happens when/if the phone reception sucks.
              2. I presume it only logs to the phone, does that get stored as a discrete file or only as data stored in the app until export?
              Chris
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                #22
                Originally posted by takai View Post
                What sort of things have you seen not be able to be done with the Track?
                Logging additional sensors is the main thing, if you don't have an aftermarket ECU there isn't any easy way to add extra sensors to log. With the MK3 you can wire about 12 extra sensors directly to the unit (vs 0 on the Track), and switching outputs is something else that I use. For example I use the output to blink an LED on my dash several seconds after it starts the Gopro so that I can easily sync video footage later, the LED trigger is a channel in my log file and I sync to the LED visible in the footage.
                In your case it wouldn't be an issue but for those without aftermarket ecu's there's only limited data they can log via OBD2.

                Originally posted by takai View Post
                Nice food to hear more on the Track Mk2. 2 questions on it.
                1. Does it require an internet connection to log via the phone? Ie what happens when/if the phone reception sucks.
                2. I presume it only logs to the phone, does that get stored as a discrete file or only as data stored in the app until export?
                Phone is connected to the app by either bluetooth or wireless, no sim card required. Data is saved to phone app on MK2, or you have the option to run headless and save directly to micro SD card on the MK3. I think the MK2 can't be used headless without a the app at all. burn can confirm? Also I think the data is stored in the app until you export to a folder and it's basically a csv file.

                If your phone/tablet dash has a sim card you can do live telemetry streaming to Autosportlabs Podium website. I've started playing around with that and will be giving it a trial at QR this weekend I want to try pit to car alert messages someone from my pit crew can send a messsage and it will pop up on my app/dash while driving.

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                  #23
                  Track version has no on board memory, phone app does all the lifting. The pro and apex can log to local memory and you can pull it with the app or sd card directly later. Because they don't rely on realtime Bluetooth or wifi the logging rates are an order of magnitude higher. (up to 1000hz instead of 50/100hz)

                  Oo___oO

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by burn is weird View Post
                    I've got the racecapturre track MK2, definitely does LUA and 50hz gps as well as gyro and accelerometers.
                    50hz GPS?

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                      #25
                      The text you have bolded appears to answer your question.

                      50hz gps is quite noisy so am working on some kalmann filtering to smooth it. You can select 5,10 or 20hz too.

                      a nice little bonus is having the racecapture unit capable of LUA, you effectively have an external canbus connected math processor/logic controller that can calculate any custom parameters from live ECU data, so the racecapture unit can read any ecu canbus data, do some maths on it and send back to the ecu for use in tables, or directly mapped to ecu outputs.

                      basic unit comparison is here:

                      https://www.autosportlabs.com/raceca...compare_matrix

                      the apex unit does dead reckoning which is pretty slick.

                      Oo___oO

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by burn is weird View Post
                        Track version has no on board memory, phone app does all the lifting. The pro and apex can log to local memory and you can pull it with the app or sd card directly later. Because they don't rely on realtime Bluetooth or wifi the logging rates are an order of magnitude higher. (up to 1000hz instead of 50/100hz)
                        50hz would be enough for most things i would think, except for perhaps wheel speed sensors.

                        Wonder whether it is worth getting the Pro for logging wheel slip via the ABS sensors...
                        Chris
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