Ideas for Sunny: Must be NA, 2.5L max

[mrhoochie]

you do realize the current track record holder uses a Datto A series don't you?

for something different how about an e15et? IMHO, you want it to handle and a big motor up the front will give it 'lead tipped arrow' syndrome. Probably OK for a street car but not a track car. Stick to a small lightweight motor. Oh and you'll need a diff. A Stanza one won't cut it, let alone the standard Sunny one.

[Tripper]

not sure of a exact donk but what about something cosworth

[mrhoochie]

what about a 4AGE ? They'd have to be pretty cheap now and you should be able to find a strong enough box that bolts up without any adaptors.

[Datto-Zed]

mrhoochie: Stop being so damn sensible.
I suppose I wouldn't be looking at making this a 100% track focused car. It'll still be used on the street, but would certainly want it to be competetive at the track. Something like the KL will certainly be a good bit heavier than the A series, but probably not that much more than the L14s that were also a standard fitment in some other markets. I might be wrong, but my thinking is that it wont mess up the balance of the car too much (ie it wont be a pig).

The A is out....the sunny is simply too heavy (compared to say shanes 1200 ute).
E15ET is out as I definitely want to stick with a NA motor. Turbo cars are good fun, but lag really really shits me.

4AGE would actually be a pretty damn good option. Cheap, light, revs hard, plenty of gearbox options.

You'll probably be getting a phone call from me today (tues).....I'm chasing another A12 for my sunny as it's cracked it's head.

[tim510]

vg20?

[Spac]

MrMoparMan... if a rotary is "pretty bloody heavy", I fail to see how a SR is anything other than "f%^king heavy"... I can carry a 12A around by myself without too much drama, but there's no way I could go close with any 2-litre piston engine.

And you'd be suprised at how little difference there is in the weight of a SR and a FJ (and a L-series for that matter). I've seen a lot of figures on the internet, but none of them correspond at all well with the real-life examples I've seen.

The Volvo motors do weigh a ton... And probably don't rev real well stock, thanks to the lousy job Volvo did of balancing them...

[meggala]

well the vg 20 might be an option as mentioned but why not a ca18 de they are given away and would make a good budget build motor 8500- 9000 rev limit good head characteristics. you can use gear boxes from pintara's fitting would be fairly easy i would assume. and stock ecu is remappable.
lots going for it budget wise,
btw the quad cam version of the vg 20 will rev to 8k
meggala

[Zac]

and would probably blow the weight limit easily, big motors.

[Sketchy]

I'm very seriously considering sticking a vg20et (or even vg20det if it isnt too expensive) in my sunny coupe at a later date after i finish the l20 conversion and get sick of that. Has anyone tried this, or is it even legal? I reckon it would be a heap of fun and have been thinking about this for years but have too many other cars to play with to start it.

[MRMOPARMAN]

MrMoparMan... if a rotary is "pretty bloody heavy", I fail to see how a SR is anything other than "f%^king heavy"... I can carry a 12A around by myself without too much drama, but there's no way I could go close with any 2-litre piston engine.

And you'd be suprised at how little difference there is in the weight of a SR and a FJ (and a L-series for that matter). I've seen a lot of figures on the internet, but none of them correspond at all well with the real-life examples I've seen.

The Volvo motors do weigh a ton... And probably don't rev real well stock, thanks to the lousy job Volvo did of balancing them...

unfortuanately, never weighing either.. all ive been going off are internet quotes.. most of the quotes i have seen were pretty much the same as each other, so i thought they would be near enuff to spot on. with rotaries, i was referring to the 13B.. ive been told the 12A is a fair bit lighter.

i can however state that the FJ IS very friggen heavy!! my thinking was that with the FJ and SR being similar in diamensions, and the SR being all alloy, the SR *should* be substantially lighter, which was reflected in the weight quotes i saw. anyways, i still stand by my previous post (probs coulda worded it better though)

[meggala]

the vg 20 seems to be a good motor I had one they are very revy similar charateristics to an rb 20.
cheers

[Datto-Zed]

Tim: VGs are a bit too porky as zac said. If it's going to be a larger capacity engine, I'd be looking for something with an alloy block. Would be nice if there was such a thing as a 200HP VQ25DE.

Megs: CA18DE wouldn't make the sort of power I'd be looking for. CA18DET would....but yeah...don't want a turbo.

sketchypip: Sounds like you're following pretty much the same path as I am with my sunny. Pretty soon (hopefully) I'll be doing an elcheapo carby turbo setup on the A12. Simply, I already have pretty much everything I need, so will be cheap and will go ok. Middle of next year I will have finished my degree and be working full time, so will be buying a more modern daily driver, and that's when this Sunny project gets underway. I just want to have it all well researched before hand.

As for the VG20 turbo, that should be legal (is in QLD anyway). Should be be a damn fun conversion when it's done! I'd love to hear what you end up doing with the sunny. Btw, I have two spare sunnys here, so let me know if you need any parts.

[Captiva Fan]

Can you fiddle a 3SGE to get 150kW ... if Toyota are able to do it & meet modern pollution regs? Dunno what it'd cost, and I guess they're as big as an SR or FJ anyway.
What's a well-built 8v DOHC Fiat 2.0 worth?

[XAC15T]

qr25de

sr20ve

[Datto-Zed]

Yeah had a look at the qr25de. Decided against it as it doesn't really have that high a power output and doesn't rev all that high. Wouldn't be bad though.