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    Thinking of starting a project... (Jaguar)

    In a street close to me, there is an old Jaguar that has been sitting in the street for at least 12 months without being driven. The rego expired around 9 months ago so I'm guessing they are never going to drive it again. I'm thinking of approaching them to either take it off their hands for nothing or buy it cheaply. Maybe 200 bucks or something.

    It looks like this:

    ... But an older model. Maybe 70-something. I cant actually find an exact picture of it anywhere (curse you google, why do you hate me??)

    Anyway. I'm assuming there is something mechanically wrong with the car that its not being used, and I'm guessing its going to be something expensive or it would have been fixed or sold by now.

    Assuming its the engine (more than likely), I'd like to do an engine transplant. Considering a Jag is a damn heavy car, its never going to be a blistering performance vehicle in a straight line so I'm more looking at something that will get it moving at the sort of speed you'd see in a ecotec V6 commodore. What would be "better" to use as a stock engine with minimulistic future upgrades... I'm currently tossing up between a 1jzgte or a 1uzfe. The benefit of the 1uz is VEE EIGHT MATE *grunt, grunt* with the downside of more expensive rego. The benefit of the 1jz is turbo power (such a status symbol to have a FMIC, no?). I'm leaning more to the 1uzfe (or maybe go old skool carby? 308/350/351?) cause a V8 sounds nice. I'd prefer newschool cause I want smooth. It'll be an auto though because this is gonna be for cruising, not bruising.

    Secondly the paintwork is tired. Panels are all straight that I could see in my stealth observations, but the paint is faded at best, orangepeeled at worst. I'm guessing that a cut and polish would reveal how bad it really is, but orange peel cant be fixed with a rag... So respray would be in order. Its currently a blue/grey colour (like a sky blue with a very small amount of dark gray smeared through it) and I'd be looking at going to blue (midnight purple even?). So since I'm going to a lighter colour, will all that be required is a rub down and spray? I'm thinking if I do all the "hard work" it would probably cost me around a grand including paint to get anything halfway decent.

    Ok so thats what I've figured out on my own. I'm basically looking for a bit of advice. Is a jaguar going to be an ongoing drama queen, even assuming the british "engineering" is removed? Anyone know any pitfalls and traps of these old jags (known for chassis rust or anything?)... Idiosyncrasies is what I'm after.

    Cheers for anything
    .o( sometimes I think i'd be better off dead. no wait, not me. you )

    rejectionline.com.au - Its probably useful to someone.

    #2
    They do like to rust ... but hey, it's British. The wiring sux too, but you can prolly replace as much as possible (well, the important stuff) when you do the motor.

    As to the paint, to get something that'll last more'n a year or two will prolly cost more like $5k ... what you're proposing to do should be OK for a year or two though (and hey, you might luck-out & have it last longer).

    If cost is an issue WRT to engine, remember that Chev conversions were a pretty commonly-done thing 10-15 years ago ... you may find a cheapie kit or two. The Lexus V8 is probably the thing that'll fit in most with the Jag's character though - smooth, quiet, with a V8 noise when you open it up. Plus it'll probably be a lot more fuel-efficient than any one o' them ever was ...
    Soft roaders represent an excellent compromise between the needs of the hardcore 4x4 user and the convenience of a city hatchback. Its clear to see why they have become so popular in todays society.

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      #3
      I have heard of a 1UZFE Jag conversion, not sure if it was an XJ6 or XJS though. Aparently it goes quite hard.
      I believe the Chev conversion was popular for two reasons. One was cost and the other was weight. Apparently an old 327 is vastly lightler than the Jag in line six boat anchor.
      There'd be a pretty large difference between a 1UZ and a 327 too, you could end up with a relatively nice car.
      Rust is lighter than carbon fibre.

      My Italian 510

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        #4
        if you the 351 you have to mount the extractors back to front
        you cant spell advertisements without semen between the tits

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          #5
          Chev conversions are the go because the box mates straight up to them.

          From memory it's a turbo *** gearbox to start with.

          Small blocks are the go as a) parts are cheap/plentiful b) plenty of know how around and c) not rocket science to screw together a tough chev yourself.

          Any part you could want for them is available cheap and off the shelf. ALternately you could head to the Toowoomba swap meet in early Feb and go looking for a SB Chev for a good price there...
          Originally posted by choppo
          Looking forward videos of OP doing the chicken dance in drag with bananas up the arse and other fruit around the face in gay hypnotherapist rape dungeon

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            #6
            old jaguar? leave it there, run away. as fast as you can.

            a friend of mine just sold his dual fuel tank XJS whatever it was because he spent $10k on it, and still it wouldn't run properly.

            the eletrics are made by the prince of darkness, the feats of english engineering residing in the engine bay should be towed out to sea and sunk

            unless you're planning on a whole rewire, with a new loom, newer engine, ECU headlights. replacing the whole lot. including the brakes, you'd have a well handling car.

            buy an old mercedes, do it up. parts cost about the same, but at least theres logic in the way they're engineered.

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              #7
              Sounds like it must be a series1.Anyway it doesnt matter which one it is as they are all heaps of sh#t.I'd steer clear of it but if you must have one then be prepared to fix everything that you dont replace when doing a conversion.They rust out badly around the fuel tanks and in the floors.The electrics are shocking and most of the interior fittings fail.Having said that they do drive nice for a big car and with some suspension mods actually handle quite well.Ive driven them with small block chevs,fords and holden efi v8's.Amate of mine is a jag nut and his last series one i madly tried to convince him to fit a toyota v8 or twin turbo 6.But he wanted me to reco his stocky which was going to cost around 4k but i ended up finding a late model efi jag6 cheap which he fitted in without the efi.Everytime it breaks down which is once a week he rings me and says we should have fitted the jap crap.
              Datsun 1600 SR20det 430.4rwhp
              11.0 @ 130mph
              Silvia SR20det
              12.9 @ 109

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                #8
                Use the bits to make yourself a Cobra replica. Thats what the pros use. Dump the body, engine and electrics. The rest is useable (ie chassis, diffs, gearbox, etc).
                "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough horsepower." - Mark Donahue Penske Porsche 917

                "In Japan we no give fark for Subaru" - Trust Japan Technical Director
                (TM - AVENGE)

                "You can never have enough power. I remember when we had Group B cars... THEN we had enough power!"
                Juha Kankkunen - Rally of Argentina '02

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                  #9
                  8ODGY, only V12s got the t400 box, the sixes came with a fairly ordinary old BW box, which won't live behind anything grunty.

                  Chev would be the easiest option as it's been done so many times before. Conversion kits & extractors are available off the shelf.

                  Electrics..... Lucas, prince of darkness!
                  “You have to be the change you want to see in the world.”
                  -Mahatma Gandhi
                  Indian independence leader

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                    #10
                    Hmm, might just spend the time and cash on my current car then.
                    I had in my head a comfy cruiser, but that was assuming a jag was actually a good platform to start from. Rust + electrics is NOT a good platform
                    .o( sometimes I think i'd be better off dead. no wait, not me. you )

                    rejectionline.com.au - Its probably useful to someone.

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                      #11
                      I thought the v12 only got a trimatic hence the sign inside the glovebox that says dont floor it in first gear.
                      Datsun 1600 SR20det 430.4rwhp
                      11.0 @ 130mph
                      Silvia SR20det
                      12.9 @ 109

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                        #12
                        V12's got a T400, 6's got either a Bog Warner model 12 or 35 (can't remember).

                        Legend has it that when Jag was looking at an auto to chuck behind the V12, they went for the T400, but decided that the yanks couldn't build them 'good enough' (ie to Jag standards) so they stripped and completely rebuilt the first batch - only to find that the rebuilt trans were crap compared to the factory delivered units.....probably another urban legend.

                        I had a chev powered XJ6 many years ago, definately the way to go in terms of performance and reliability, plus chev parts are dirt cheap and plentiful. Mine was a short wheel base (SWB) XJ6, which is a very early model, but the one to get is the SWB XJ12....quite rare, as are the coupes (XJC).

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                          #13
                          Lambs I've heard that one in reference to Rolls Royce, must be an urban myth then
                          “You have to be the change you want to see in the world.”
                          -Mahatma Gandhi
                          Indian independence leader

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                            #14
                            Do both you and the guy that owns it a huge favour and set fire to the bloody thing.

                            The idea of a modern reliable motor in a Jag is good but the cars are crap and you will spend a fortune on a car that nver actually goes well.

                            The motors are not their only problem....all the parts will give you the sh1ts ..like my Rangie did.
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                              #15
                              Once upon a time I had silly thoughts about putting a jap donk in an old jag. Didn't take long to come to the conclusion, as everyone else has said, it will be far to expensive. To make a good, reliable car out of it would be enormous and very expensive job. Still like to do it one day when I'm ritch and.....hmmmm.....stupid.

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