making hp with an N/A 6cyl?

[2JZR31]

I think the point Rollin was trying to make is that if and old EB can beat the new LS1 in power per litre, than there is nothing wrong with its flow capabilities. He never said it was better than a LS1.

It looks like the KA24, RB30, XR6 and LS1 all make 40kw per litre, give or take 1 kw. My Cortina with 26 year old engine even makes 35per litre. The commo V6 is matched closer to my Cortina than the other engines mentioned and the old 202 is a complete waste of capacity with 26kw/l (blue motor). It seems that as usual rule the smaller and revvier an engine (of the same era) the more kw/per litre they can make, that’s why small shitboxes have good kw/per litre ratios.

Does all that matter? Maybe, all it can tell you is the efficiency of the engine and re-enforces the old “more power needs more cubes/or revs” line of thinking. With 40kw per litre being the norm, the old 202 (around 86kw blue motor) would put out 132kw which should not be too hard to do, given that most engines have that kw/l ratio standard. 132kw would be a kick in the pants after driving with a tyre shredding 86kw.

[Rollin]

yes that was my point, thanks.

my car is a 10/92 model.

10 years later, holden has nearly caught up in the power per litre stakes...but with an american engine that happens to use more oil before 40,000k than mine does now...(damn i just bagged the LS1, im in for a HUGE flaming!!!!)

Heh, even a Hyundai Accent, with 76Kw from 1.5 litres, makes 51kW/litre!!
Does that make it a better engine than a Ford straight six, or a Gen III?

well, maybe it does! what is nearly everyone on these forums trying to do? make more power, and mostly without increasing the capacity of their car...making more power per litre, and the hyundai engine does this, without using oil or blowing up...my mate (sadly, he is a small time riceboy) has a 2000 model excel, and has had no dramas with the engine in 75,000 hard driven kms (he has blown up a gearbox once, good effort i say, and replaced under warranty!) its only been to hyundai for scheduled servicing, he has had other dramas with the actual car though.

if my 4.0 made 51kW per litre when bog stock i would be laughing, 204kW from a N/A I6, add a cam, extractors and exhaust and low/flat14s no worries!

never thought i would be defending a hyundai motor, but, well, you have to give credit where it is due...

[208_Fireball]

My moderate 202 has now been successfully converted to stock vk efi

She hasn't been tuned yet, so i'll be back with results after tuning!!!


Cheers,

Dave

[2JZR31]

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[208_Fireball]

Indeed Dennis

Just thought this was the most appropriate thread to post to

Cheers,

Dave

[2JZR31]

Yeah, i was just stiring. I hope It cranks some good power.

[208_Fireball]

My goal is anything above 100 rwkw, may have to go to a custom computer to get it, but i'll see just how much i can extract out of the stock computer first

Cheers,

Dave

[2JZR31]

Does the old 202 use a delco? Probably not.. but if it does your set.

[208_Fireball]

Nah it uses an old analog Bosch LE Jetronic computer - they're reasonably flexible due to the vane airflow meter, but not that tuneable once you approach its limits

Cheers,

Dave

[208_Fireball]

Oh, and by the way, the website for the conversion is at:


http://www.geocities.com/commopunk/P...onversion.html

It only has the 1/2 way progress, i'll add the rest of the pictures later this week i'd say!

Cheers,

Dave

[Beefy Laser]

pushrod,

VH V6 conversion is a good one, but definately not with the VN engine.

I dont think though that it is physically possible for any commodore to handle like a go kart, with the exception of V8 Supercars. Such a fat, lardy and bargy car needs more than swaybars and lowered springs to perform, especially one as old as a VH.

I don't believe for a second that it could be as quick as a stock wrx, as slow as WRX's are.

Commodores using stuff all fuel? what are used to driving, a bloody kenworth???

As for the red light racers thing, bloody commodores always have something to prove....... repeatedly.

beefy.

[gmh265]

beefy laser: I am a mate of pushrods (we have done the v6 conversion b4) and I don't think he wastes his time on this forum anymore so I will answer your comments.

the car obviously does not handle exactly like a go kart but it handles bloody well for next to no cash thrown at it.

it has beaten stock wrx's on more than one occasion period. you don't believe that then there is nothing I can do to prove it.

fat, large, bargy? It weighs 1280 wet with the v6 engine in it, its no ford laser but its not that heavy.

Compared to a holden 202 it uses stuff all fuel which I believe was the point of this topic. (which you have offered nothing towards which just proves my point below)

People like you always take the time to hang shit on the commodore, the early models are an awesome car in my opinion.. its unfortunate that there are soo many around but that is life. get over your issue with commodores and you will lead a less stressful life..

the v6 engine is no where near as bad as people make it out to be, you obviously hate commodores so I will assume you never owned a v6 and therefore are just jumping on the vn v6 engine is crap bandwagon.